Persian Wootz non-reg 1803 infantry officer saber

Calien · 17th February 2024, 12:48 PM

Good evening everyone,

Here is my lastes arrival, a non regulation 1803 style sabre with a Persian wootz blade and brass grip. So far this is the only one Ive seen in this configuration, usually the all brass grips are presentation sabres. If anyone has more information or would like to a share some examples please do so

Will M · 17th February 2024, 05:16 PM

Great looking 1803 with a "capture" blade? Where does the sword balance? Possibly a reason for the brass grip to add weight?

Radboud · 17th February 2024, 06:46 PM

What a great looking sword, my first thought was that could be for an officer of the East India Company, with the brass being more suitable to the humid climate. Another possibility could be that it belonged to an Indian officer who wanted a solid hilt that felt more like a tulwar.

Have you taken any stats of the sword? How long is it and the blade, weight, curvature and point of balance?

Also interesting that it doesn’t have a crest in the guard, which could be another clue for a para military organisation.

Is it possible to take more photos of the sword alone, without the additional clutter of the pistols and belt? There’s a lot to unpick in the blade, the fuller is interesting, I’m not familiar enough with shamshirs to know if this is common or not. My suspicision is that it’s more of an Indian feature leading to the suggestion the blade was made specifically for the Indian market.

Calien · 18th February 2024, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Radboud

What a great looking sword, my first thought was that could be for an officer of the East India Company, with the brass being more suitable to the humid climate. Another possibility could be that it belonged to an Indian officer who wanted a solid hilt that felt more like a tulwar.

Have you taken any stats of the sword? How long is it and the blade, weight, curvature and point of balance?

Also interesting that it doesn’t have a crest in the guard, which could be another clue for a para military organisation.

Is it possible to take more photos of the sword alone, without the additional clutter of the pistols and belt? There’s a lot to unpick in the blade, the fuller is interesting, I’m not familiar enough with shamshirs to know if this is common or not. My suspicision is that it’s more of an Indian feature leading to the suggestion the blade was made specifically for the Indian market.

Unfortunately Im stationed overseas in a country were they dont allow edge weapons. My family received it yesterday so the measuremennts of weight and balance will have to wait for a while. However here are some pictures from the auction. The blaede is Persian, so I could be for indian service or even from the Egyptian campaing. There are similar guards that predate the 1803 without the GR and even a few after, but they are not the norm of course. It is important to point it that it comes in at cavalry lenght 96 cm.

Will M · 18th February 2024, 03:19 PM

The knucklebow looks much stronger than your average 1803p. Obviously a mounted infantry officer knew what he wanted.

17th February 2024, 12:48 PM	#1
Calien Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 34	Persian Wootz non-reg 1803 infantry officer saber Good evening everyone, Here is my lastes arrival, a non regulation 1803 style sabre with a Persian wootz blade and brass grip. So far this is the only one Ive seen in this configuration, usually the all brass grips are presentation sabres. If anyone has more information or would like to a share some examples please do so Attached Images

17th February 2024, 05:16 PM	#2
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	Great looking 1803 with a "capture" blade? Where does the sword balance? Possibly a reason for the brass grip to add weight?

17th February 2024, 06:46 PM	#3
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 261	What a great looking sword, my first thought was that could be for an officer of the East India Company, with the brass being more suitable to the humid climate. Another possibility could be that it belonged to an Indian officer who wanted a solid hilt that felt more like a tulwar. Have you taken any stats of the sword? How long is it and the blade, weight, curvature and point of balance? Also interesting that it doesn’t have a crest in the guard, which could be another clue for a para military organisation. Is it possible to take more photos of the sword alone, without the additional clutter of the pistols and belt? There’s a lot to unpick in the blade, the fuller is interesting, I’m not familiar enough with shamshirs to know if this is common or not. My suspicision is that it’s more of an Indian feature leading to the suggestion the blade was made specifically for the Indian market.

18th February 2024, 03:19 PM	#5
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	The knucklebow looks much stronger than your average 1803p. Obviously a mounted infantry officer knew what he wanted.