18th December 2016, 11:17 PM | #31 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand
Posts: 122
|
I have cleaned and etched the blade with ascetic acid. That part in question was actually just dirt. The lamination pattern on the naga barong was random, somewhat unremarkable. However it is a shandigan blade, the first in my collection, and I am very happy about it. The bottom barong in my barong group photo has a double-edged, hollow ground blade.
|
18th December 2016, 11:30 PM | #32 |
Vikingsword Staff
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,194
|
Arms and Antiques,
I have not seen any evidence of wootz used in Moro weapons or heard of it being reported. If such a thing did occur it would be extremely rare. As I look at the pictures of the cleaned blade, I'm not seeing anything that would suggest wootz. Some older Moro pieces were treated by collectors with various agents, including cosmoline, to prevent rust. These sometimes produced patterns on blades that were removed with the cleaning of the blade. I wonder if something similar occurred here. Ian. |
19th December 2016, 05:51 AM | #33 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand
Posts: 122
|
For Arms and Antiques, here are pictures of the same side of the blade all cleaned up and etched (it would have been great if the blade turned out to be wootz but all is good the way it is).
Last edited by Aslan Paladin; 19th December 2016 at 03:19 PM. |
19th December 2016, 05:53 PM | #34 | |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
Quote:
the lamination would come out much better when you polish the blade better IMVHO. Regards, Detlef |
|
19th December 2016, 11:43 PM | #35 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 80
|
How unfortunate. It's always exciting to look for wootz where it shouldn't be. But lamination is a good substitute especially on a fine overall example such as this.
Wootz does surprisingly turns up in sometimes the most unexpected places. |
20th December 2016, 01:24 AM | #36 | |
EAAF Staff
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
|
Quote:
|
|
26th November 2023, 10:13 AM | #37 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
|
I've made a quick word search and I've not seen this example below bought to these pages, so I've added it to this thread being the first one of a few within the forum that I found.... Sir Stamford Raffles collection.
|
26th November 2023, 11:29 PM | #38 |
EAAF Staff
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,217
|
WW!
|
27th November 2023, 12:16 PM | #39 |
Vikingsword Staff
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,194
|
Outstanding example Gavin. Is this one in your collection?
|
28th November 2023, 07:30 AM | #40 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
|
|
28th November 2023, 04:28 PM | #41 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,001
|
Hey Gavin, Might you have the dimensions on Raffles’ Barung?
|
28th November 2023, 10:08 PM | #42 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,246
|
Overall length 56,8 cm, 5,8 cm wide, weight - 870 gr.
The motiv of ivory carving looks quite Chinese. |
28th November 2023, 10:15 PM | #43 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,001
|
Thanks Gustav
|
29th November 2023, 09:53 AM | #44 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
|
Indeed, they were best of the carvers... I've bounced this question off a few of our learned community... there are other Barong and Kris hulu with similar motifs in the BM too, I believe at least one is clearly Chinese in design too, may be noted as being Chinese made too... there is a Sadap hilt in the marketplace too, seems much like the same community of carvers...
|
|
|