Unknown short sword. Where's it from? Philippines? Naga?

[Sajen]

Thank you Ian! I've found it by accident and some sleepless hours.

Regards,
Detlef

[kai]

Congrats, Detlef! Certainly a rare find...

[Sajen]

Thank you Kai, it's the first time that I've seen one for selling!

[ausjulius]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Are there documented blades known from the Badui people?

Regards,
Detlef

they have a bedog style of golok with a distinct handle shape.. these can be purchased online if you search golok badui or golok baduy they are quite short hand handles quite large.. there handles are all wood normally lack wood.. as they dont keep large animals

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ausjulius

they have a bedog style of golok with a distinct handle shape.. these can be purchased online if you search golok badui or golok baduy they are quite short hand handles quite large.. there handles are all wood normally lack wood.. as they dont keep large animals

Thank you Julius,
when we looked to the same sites I nearly would say that this as golok Badui described and offered knives are indeed just bedogs.

I have learned later how they look (the Badui swords), the shown one was once for sale, this few pictures I keep.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

And here a few new pictures from the Tengger "bolo".

[naturalist]

I have been asking around, then contacted a Baduy blacksmith from Kampung Batu Belah, Cijahe. He said, as far as he remembers they don't make any sword

Originally Posted by Sajen

Thank you Julius,
when we looked to the same sites I nearly would say that this as golok Badui described and offered knives are indeed just bedogs.

I have learned later how they look (the Badui swords), the shown one was once for sale, this few pictures I keep.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by naturalist

I have been asking around, then contacted a Baduy blacksmith from Kampung Batu Belah, Cijahe. He said, as far as he remembers they don't make any sword

The one in the picture was sold once from Arjan Hollestelle, he posted not here for a very long time but maybe he lurks here from time to time and can tell us from where he got this information once.

Regards,
Detlef

[kai]

Hello Detlef,

There is a fairly early report attributing this style of blades to the Badui:
Jacobs, J.K. 1891. De Badoej's. Int. Arch. Ethn., 4: 158-164
(The local name is given as gobang; the style doesn't seem to have a wide distribution though.)

Regards,
Kai

[David]

Great research from Maurice and Ian. Thanks for bring this information to light.
So my understanding is that the Tenggerese are a Javanese sub-ethnic group that traces its history back to the Mojopahit. They apparently are one of the few groups that still adhere to Hindu/Buddhist ways in Jawa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenggerese_people

[naturalist]

Made by Baduy whose father used to be an apprentice of well-known blacksmith in their tribe. He said to me that this is the only "gobang" that they know.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...1&d=1651757232

Differences with the common golok are on the notch, bolster, and the shape of the gado.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...1&d=1651757232

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Detlef,

There is a fairly early report attributing this style of blades to the Badui:
Jacobs, J.K. 1891. De Badoej's. Int. Arch. Ethn., 4: 158-164
(The local name is given as gobang; the style doesn't seem to have a wide distribution though.)

Regards,
Kai

[naturalist]

Lately, when i was looking more information on wedung. I found, "wedung sanibin". Sanibin is the name of empu (mastersmith), from the foothill of Semeru Mountain. Those two mountains (Bromo and Semeru) just around 70km in distance.
The shape of wedung sanibin's blade is similar to the Tengger's, with variations on sheath and hilt, however there are sheath and hilt that are similar to the Tengger's.
It said that the Lumajang (Lamajang in the past) where the wedung sanibin comes from initially inhabited by people from Madura. Definitely different from the cultures of Tengger.

[gp]

amazing !
and so many Indonesian collectors here and still unknown ?

Time to pay a visit to the vulcanic Bromo area and Semeru national park,gents
!

[gp]

Tengger greetings