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I recently jumped at the chance to add this lovely little knife. The blade is elegant in its simplicity - 1/4inch spine at the hilt, smooth distal taper, no bevels but a steady wedge ending in a keen edge.
The scabbard with its wire wrapping seems possibly African, but I've yet to see an African blade forged so well. I thought I detected some 'wootziness' in the seller's photos, but not in person. I would place the blade as Persian, perhaps, but without any typical adornments. This is just a solid blade similar to what I would want as a part of my bushcraft kit. The hilt, is simple, but more elaborate than the blade. I'm very curious to get opinions as to where this may have originated. Thanks everyone! |
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I've watched it by ebay, I am nearly sure that it's a dha dagger and I guess that the handle is from ivory. Very nice piece, congrats!
Regards, Detlef |
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I was surprised I was able to win it. You are absolutely right- it has a distinctly 'dha-esque' look to the scabbard, and the rest feels consistent with a Thai/Southeast Asian origin. Any thoughts on the type of ivory? Elephant? Marine? Thanks again! |
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But that's not 100% Because the arc of the lines will change the intersection. Arc decreases with size the further out from the core one gets. Not by much. But enough that outer material from the very tip of a small Elephant tusk can look like outer material from the very base of a large walrus tusk. One can get to about 70% confidence level with angle measuring of Schreger lines. Higher confidence beyond that relies on knowing where and when it came from and what the people that made it would have had likely access to material wise. |
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By dhas I never have seen other ivory than elephant ivory.
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There are a few features that lead me to think that this Burmese style knife may be from a little further north. Several groups in NE India utilize similar knives. Some of their blades may be obtained from Burma and, perhaps surprisingly, from HuSa in southern Yunnan. The preference is sometimes for heavier blades, as on this one.
The ivory scales (they have to be elephant ivory), pinned over a full tang, are distinctly not from traditional Burmese, Thai, or Lao sources. The relatively short, narrow tangs of swords and knives from these groups would not accommodate pins such as on the example here. There are, however, examples of hilt scales pinned over full tangs that come from Southern Yunnan. The sheath does not really resemble traditional mainland SE Asian work, but would fit better with some NE Indian groups, especially the copper wire wrapping. The sheath might post date the manufacture of the knife. Overall, a bit of a mystery knife having elements of different cultures. Knowing that some of the NE Indian tribal groups traded for knives from the south, I think this piece was used in the north. I would estimate its age as early 20th C, but it could be older depending on use and storage. |
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After speaking with a very good friend of mine who is an expert on mainland Southeast Asian blades about the knife in question I would agree with Ian, the ferrule and handle pin is unusual too.
And the given origin from Ian seems to be a very good one. The ivory handle could be from an English bread knife my friend assumed. He says also that it is a rare find! ![]() ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Thank you all for the brilliant insights. I had never given many thoughts to blades from the Burmese region. I love when a new acquisition leads to discovering something new, and I truly appreciate the knowledge shared so generously.
Thanks again! -Rob |
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Rob,
You found a really nice knife for your first purchase from that area. Watch out--they can be addictive. ![]() ![]() |
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So... The pinned hilt and scabbard are pretty unique by Dha standards. Could this be a Yao knife from Africa?
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I love finding items that bring a little mystery to the conversation! |
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Rob,
Several people here could have told you that this knife does not look much like a Yao knife. Yes, there are similarities, but not a whole lot. It's often better, however, and a good habit to get into, to check out suggestions with your own research. The information retention is much better that way, and you get to appreciate the subtleties of the items you are looking at. The conclusions that you reached from your research are correct IMHO. Regards, Ian. |
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