Identification of barrel's marks on a Greek pistol

Sylektis · 19th February 2012, 11:31 AM

Hi friends,

Can anybody recognize the barrel's marks on this Greek pistol?
Thank you in advance.

Dom · 19th February 2012, 12:05 PM

very beautiful pistol,
very elegant in its form and decoration
I just love it

thanks for sharing

à +

Dom

Multumesc · 21st February 2012, 12:16 PM

It is very interesting gun. It is obvious that Eastern origin. What size is and what weight is?

Matchlock · 22nd February 2012, 01:50 PM

Hi Sylektis,

All I can contribute is this photoshoped version of your image of the marks, hoping it will help attract more competent members.

Best,
Michael

Sylektis · 26th February 2012, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multumesc

It is very interesting gun. It is obvious that Eastern origin. What size is and what weight is?

Length= 45cm
Weight= 1162gr

Sylektis · 22nd December 2013, 10:18 AM

Hi again.

I found in my photo archive the same marks on another pistol.
Can anybody help now?
Resemble Belgian proof marks but I can't identify them exactly.
Thank you.

fernando · 22nd December 2013, 12:03 PM

Hy Sylektis,
They have a similar exterior oval shape but they are not Belgium (Liege) at all.
I guess all those efects in your pistol ar only decorative, to resemble real marks; a practice often seen in Turkish guns, for one

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Kubur · 18th July 2016, 04:21 PM

Hi Skyletis,

I have one question, do you think the Owl on your pistol is linked to Athena and it's a symbol of Athens the Greek capital?

Kubur

Sylektis · 2nd September 2016, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Skyletis,

I have one question, do you think the Owl on your pistol is linked to Athena and it's a symbol of Athens the Greek capital?

Kubur

With the beginning of the Greek Revolution of 1821, the temporary government tried to link the new country with its ancient history. So, in art, Greece has the face of Athena.

Kubur · 3rd September 2016, 06:30 PM

Thank you it's very interesting.
Do you know if the lion is a Greek symbol or a Turkishsymbol?
I have seen lions on many palaskas. I have a palaska with lions too.
In Europe, you can find many swords with lions as this animal is a symbol of strengh and justice.
Best,

Sylektis · 6th September 2016, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you it's very interesting.
Do you know if the lion is a Greek symbol or a Turkishsymbol?
I have seen lions on many palaskas. I have a palaska with lions too.
In Europe, you can find many swords with lions as this animal is a symbol of strengh and justice.
Best,

Lion was a very old symbol of strength and gentleness for Kings and Heroes.(although they have disappeared from Greece many years ago!) The Ottomans were not using people and animals as symbols and art. It was used only as a title by a number of Seljuk and Ottoman rulers, including Alp Arslan and Ali Pasha. (The latter was called "The lion of Epirus")

Kubur · 6th September 2016, 09:12 PM

Thank you very much, because the examples that you provided demonstrate well that the lions are connected to Greek palaskas. What do you think about these ones? 2 lions and 2 birds, so interesting...
Best,

Sylektis · 23rd December 2021, 09:52 PM

After exactly 10 years I managed to get his couple. The owls found their match.

fernando · 24th December 2021, 10:25 AM

Fantastic !!!

corrado26 · 24th December 2021, 11:51 AM

This is a miracle, I never heard that separated pairs found together again. Congratulations

rickystl · 13th January 2022, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

This is a miracle, I never heard that separated pairs found together again. Congratulations

I second that !! Incredibally beautiful pistols. The Greeks did seem fond of adding facial masks to their metal work.

Rick

chitoryu12 · 20th January 2022, 03:34 PM

I had a friend look over his gun book. They appear to be maker's marks, but he doesn't know which maker.

19th February 2012, 11:31 AM	#1
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Identification of barrel's marks on a Greek pistol Hi friends, Can anybody recognize the barrel's marks on this Greek pistol? Thank you in advance. Attached Images

22nd February 2012, 01:50 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Sylektis, All I can contribute is this photoshoped version of your image of the marks, hoping it will help attract more competent members. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 22nd February 2012 at 06:10 PM.

22nd December 2013, 10:18 AM	#6
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Hi again. I found in my photo archive the same marks on another pistol. Can anybody help now? Resemble Belgian proof marks but I can't identify them exactly. Thank you. Attached Images

18th July 2016, 04:21 PM	#8
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Skyletis, I have one question, do you think the Owl on your pistol is linked to Athena and it's a symbol of Athens the Greek capital? Kubur Attached Images

6th September 2016, 09:12 PM	#12
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you very much, because the examples that you provided demonstrate well that the lions are connected to Greek palaskas. What do you think about these ones? 2 lions and 2 birds, so interesting... Best, Attached Images

19th February 2012, 12:05 PM	#2
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	very beautiful pistol, very elegant in its form and decoration I just love it thanks for sharing à + Dom

21st February 2012, 12:16 PM	#3
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 203	It is very interesting gun. It is obvious that Eastern origin. What size is and what weight is?

22nd December 2013, 12:03 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hy Sylektis, They have a similar exterior oval shape but they are not Belgium (Liege) at all. I guess all those efects in your pistol ar only decorative, to resemble real marks; a practice often seen in Turkish guns, for one .

3rd September 2016, 06:30 PM	#10
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you it's very interesting. Do you know if the lion is a Greek symbol or a Turkishsymbol? I have seen lions on many palaskas. I have a palaska with lions too. In Europe, you can find many swords with lions as this animal is a symbol of strengh and justice. Best,

23rd December 2021, 09:52 PM	#13
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	After exactly 10 years I managed to get his couple. The owls found their match. Attached Images

24th December 2021, 10:25 AM	#14
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fantastic !!!

24th December 2021, 11:51 AM	#15
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,207	This is a miracle, I never heard that separated pairs found together again. Congratulations

20th January 2022, 03:34 PM	#17
chitoryu12 Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 1	I had a friend look over his gun book. They appear to be maker's marks, but he doesn't know which maker.