Please help me identify this sword

ASPaulding · 9th December 2021, 12:25 AM

I have no clue how old it is or where it came from. Any help you could provide would be appreciated. Thank you

corrado26 · 9th December 2021, 10:02 AM

Many of thes swords have been in use in Bavaria during the end of the 18th until the middle of the 19th century. But noone today knows exactly for what or for whom they have been made.

fernando · 9th December 2021, 11:50 AM

So you think it is the same thing, Udo.
Not many similarities, i guess

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mariusgmioc · 9th December 2021, 11:54 AM

Isn't this some kind of Masonic sword?!

I cannot give you any logical explanation but as soon as I saw the photo, I got this gut feeling that it is a masonic sword.

fernando · 9th December 2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Isn't this some kind of Masonic sword?!

I cannot give you any logical explanation but as soon as I saw the photo, I got this gut feeling that it is a masonic sword.

That was my first impression too, Marius !
But the blade looking so operational

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ASPaulding · 9th December 2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

That was my first impression too, Marius !
But the blade looking so operational

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I agree.

ASPaulding · 9th December 2021, 02:36 PM

I purchased from an auction Schnecksvill, PA. The auction had a lot of antique international swords and daggers. He knew everything about all the diffrent blades but this one. The sword is 38" total, blade is 32" and the crossgaurd 7" wide.

toaster5sqn · 10th December 2021, 03:57 AM

Given that the shoulders of the blade are visible below the cross guard instead of being inset into it I suspect that you have an old blade that has been rehilted. The blade looks a lot like a British spadroon blade and 32" is the exact regulation length for such blades. Also there appears to be a peened rivet in the middle of the cross which is not correct for a properly made blade and hilt but more common when someone without a background in swords makes something that looks like a sword.

So my guess would be a 1796 pattern spadroon blade that was repurposed as a masonic sword in someone's home workshop.

Robert

Radboud · 10th December 2021, 05:03 AM

I second Roberts comments that it is likely a composite of a spadroon blade and a cosmetic/theatrical hilt. Personally, I don't think it's a 1796 and more likely a later European type based on the ricasso shape.

Older spadroon blades from the late 18th or early 19th Century generally have a cutting edge that terminates closer to the hilt.

Cheers
Bas

mariusgmioc · 10th December 2021, 04:55 PM

Bingo!

There is a mismatch between the single-edged blade and the symmetrical hilt typical for double edged blades.

So I think you are spot on with your explanations!

ASPaulding · 11th December 2021, 03:24 AM

Ok thank you.

9th December 2021, 12:25 AM	#1
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 83	Please help me identify this sword I have no clue how old it is or where it came from. Any help you could provide would be appreciated. Thank you Attached Images

9th December 2021, 10:02 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	Many of thes swords have been in use in Bavaria during the end of the 18th until the middle of the 19th century. But noone today knows exactly for what or for whom they have been made. Attached Images

9th December 2021, 02:36 PM	#7
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 83	I purchased from an auction Schnecksvill, PA. The auction had a lot of antique international swords and daggers. He knew everything about all the diffrent blades but this one. The sword is 38" total, blade is 32" and the crossgaurd 7" wide. Attached Images

9th December 2021, 11:50 AM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	So you think it is the same thing, Udo. Not many similarities, i guess .

9th December 2021, 11:54 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Isn't this some kind of Masonic sword?! I cannot give you any logical explanation but as soon as I saw the photo, I got this gut feeling that it is a masonic sword.

10th December 2021, 03:57 AM	#8
toaster5sqn Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 72	Given that the shoulders of the blade are visible below the cross guard instead of being inset into it I suspect that you have an old blade that has been rehilted. The blade looks a lot like a British spadroon blade and 32" is the exact regulation length for such blades. Also there appears to be a peened rivet in the middle of the cross which is not correct for a properly made blade and hilt but more common when someone without a background in swords makes something that looks like a sword. So my guess would be a 1796 pattern spadroon blade that was repurposed as a masonic sword in someone's home workshop. Robert

10th December 2021, 05:03 AM	#9
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 261	I second Roberts comments that it is likely a composite of a spadroon blade and a cosmetic/theatrical hilt. Personally, I don't think it's a 1796 and more likely a later European type based on the ricasso shape. Older spadroon blades from the late 18th or early 19th Century generally have a cutting edge that terminates closer to the hilt. Cheers Bas

10th December 2021, 04:55 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Bingo! There is a mismatch between the single-edged blade and the symmetrical hilt typical for double edged blades. So I think you are spot on with your explanations!

11th December 2021, 03:24 AM	#11
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 83	Ok thank you.