Restored Balkan Yataghan That Needs Translation - Page 2

Sajen · 16th January 2021, 12:42 PM

Amazing work Jose! And a very nice yataghan, congrats!

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 22nd February 2021, 01:58 AM

Since this thread i've tried and tried to compare the tughra with the Ottoman Sultan tughras and am stumped. A couple of possibilities but nothing firm.

Is there anyone who can translate the bottom half (or take an educated guess) of the tughra? This is supposed to be where the name of the sultan should be. The sultan's name would help narrow down the age of this yataghan.

By the way, the place of manufacture would be Focha, Bosnia (according to Elgood).

mross · 22nd February 2021, 03:51 PM

Jose,
Looking at your work it is absolutely amazing. What you are doing I think firmly puts you on the path that Buster Warenski took for his King Tut dagger.
Michael

Battara · 24th February 2021, 12:17 AM

Thank you so much!

Is there anyone who can translate this?

ariel · 1st March 2021, 10:19 AM

As per Elgood, smooth round corals is a trademark of Foca.
Excellent job, Jose!

kwiatek · 1st March 2021, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Since this thread i've tried and tried to compare the tughra with the Ottoman Sultan tughras and am stumped. A couple of possibilities but nothing firm.

Is there anyone who can translate the bottom half (or take an educated guess) of the tughra? This is supposed to be where the name of the sultan should be. The sultan's name would help narrow down the age of this yataghan.

I think I answered this before but perhaps it wasn’t clear. This isn’t a royal tughra, it’s an owner’s inscription in tughra form, which is quite common

صاحب حسین

“The owner, Husayn”

There is an extra letter ح in there, it might possibly also be

صاحب حسن [ابن] حسین

“The owner, Hasan [son of] Husayn”

On reflection, another possibility for the extra word might be

صاحب حاجی حسین

“The owner Haci Husayn”

It’s not clear however and the extra letter may just be a feature of the design so I would leave it as “The owner, Husayn”

Battara · 2nd March 2021, 12:11 AM

Thank you folks!

Kwiatek, thank you. I didn't know that there were owner's tughras. I thought tughras had to be royal ones.

I learned.

I agree Ariel - these corals are Focha, thank you.

And Michael, I've seen pictures and write ups of that King Tut dagger - I'd love to have one. Perhaps in the future I will make a Philippine gold hilted dagger based on the 14th/15th century examples (looking into this).

22nd February 2021, 01:58 AM	#32
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Since this thread i've tried and tried to compare the tughra with the Ottoman Sultan tughras and am stumped. A couple of possibilities but nothing firm. Is there anyone who can translate the bottom half (or take an educated guess) of the tughra? This is supposed to be where the name of the sultan should be. The sultan's name would help narrow down the age of this yataghan. By the way, the place of manufacture would be Focha, Bosnia (according to Elgood). Attached Images

16th January 2021, 12:42 PM	#31
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Amazing work Jose! And a very nice yataghan, congrats! Regards, Detlef

22nd February 2021, 03:51 PM	#33
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Jose, Looking at your work it is absolutely amazing. What you are doing I think firmly puts you on the path that Buster Warenski took for his King Tut dagger. Michael

24th February 2021, 12:17 AM	#34
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Thank you so much! Is there anyone who can translate this?

1st March 2021, 10:19 AM	#35
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	As per Elgood, smooth round corals is a trademark of Foca. Excellent job, Jose!

2nd March 2021, 12:11 AM	#37
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Thank you folks! Kwiatek, thank you. I didn't know that there were owner's tughras. I thought tughras had to be royal ones. I learned. I agree Ariel - these corals are Focha, thank you. And Michael, I've seen pictures and write ups of that King Tut dagger - I'd love to have one. Perhaps in the future I will make a Philippine gold hilted dagger based on the 14th/15th century examples (looking into this).