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What is the purpose of the hole?
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Anthony, since this is not keris related i am moving it to the Ethno Forum. Though i do believe this topic was pretty well covered in the thread Wayne linked to. I believe you can find numerous answers to your question these days, but i also believe that for the most part they are beliefs, not facts, and that 50 years ago most of these beliefs probably had not been "invented" yet.
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![]() This may be of some use: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...37&postcount=2 note the bit on 'mata/eyelet' and 'an anomaly'. Best, |
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many thanks to all.
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I think they're called speed holes. They make it go faster.
There's an explanatory video here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ja6Hn8ps4 |
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I therefore postulate the holes in the Kujang are there to increase the strength of the item. I of course provide "Nothing" as proof. ...but we digress, and should return to the original topic before the Government come around looking at our torn toilet paper. |
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But we digress, though we could theoretically use a bit of Thiotimoline power to return back on track. Anyway, I blame hayde78. ![]() And there are precedents. 'The Book of Ely', a post apocalyptic film with sound SCIFI principles has a Machete with a series of Holes near the spine and it's blind wielder, Saint Denzel of Washington, certainly takes advantage of them to slash faster. Last edited by kronckew; 17th November 2020 at 08:17 AM. |
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I'm probably going to get warned for being off topic, but it reminds me of how p*ssed off the French were when Dave Brailsford told them our cycling success at the Olympics was because of the 'special roundness' of our wheels.
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...and we seem to have gone permanently off the topic rails. |
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Gentlemen, i do realize that there is not really a great deal of verifiable information available to us from the time these blades were in actual use. Many theories about the significances of these holes have been floated in modern times and, of course, there are adherents to these theories who will believe that these modern ideas are correct to the original intent of the makers. It would be as difficult to disprove these theories as it is to prove them. That said, it does seem just a little bit unlikely that holes would have been added to a weapon of this relatively small size in order to increase the speed by which it could be handled, no?
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Edited: Oops - missed the last Mod post by David. let's jump back on topic. I will if all y'all do. |
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Consider the following characteristics of two swords: 1) Black blades Warangan stained? 2) Bareing meaningful patterns "Runes" per Moorcock, but why not Pamor? 3) Having an intelligence/soul Khodam/isi anyone? 4) Soul drinking I believe it is a traditional Malay belief (mentioned in Spirit of Wood) that keris drink the semangat of anyone they injure. Something fun to think about. Have fun, Leif |
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Hence the popularity of The Marakesh Express and stories about the Barbary privateers, One Thousand and One Nights next to Hindu tales / Hindu mythological wars and obviously the cold weapons involved. Although David was perhaps correct with regards to the off topic part, perhaps with a little patience I could have explained the Eternal Champion Cyclus in more detail having their roots in ancient cultures and henceforth the cold weapons from those books could be confirmed by real good scolars to have been derived or partial copies from those Middle Eastern and Asian weapons. Like the 2 added pics of a weapon ( a cabang ) I first got trained 45 years ago clearly has influenced the Stormbringer blade design... |
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The sai is found all over in martial arts for defence against swords and is used as more of an impact weapon offensively, tho it is sometimes portrayed in films as being sharp. It is similar to the Japanese Jitte, also used as a Police Badge for officials in the time of the samurai.
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I'm asking in part, because I've been participating in an online silat class presently with a Bruneian (and thus Malay) teacher who calls this fascinating weapon a "tekpi." Have fun, Leif |
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Guys,
We have strayed far and wide from the original topic of this thread: the holes in kudi/kujang. Some digression into the fantasy sword arena has been tolerated, but modern fantasy weapons are not the focus of this forum. It appears that discussion of the original topic has been exhausted for now, so let's allow this thread to rest for a while. ![]() Salamat. Ian |
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Enough. Thread closed.
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