Unknown dagger

alex8765 · 24th April 2019, 02:42 PM

Hi gents, Can you please help me to identify this dagger?
It's 13" long, hilt is brass and horn.
Thanks

thinreadline · 24th April 2019, 03:00 PM

not my area of expertise but looks like a Southern European stiletto to me.

alex8765 · 24th April 2019, 08:34 PM

Thanks! Could it be Spanish or Mexican?

thinreadline · 24th April 2019, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alex8765

Thanks! Could it be Spanish or Mexican?

I suppose it could be Spanish , but of course its not the typical Navaja style of knife I associate with Spain , though as I said ... this is not my field.

Jim McDougall · 24th April 2019, 09:09 PM

The split grip separated by metal fixture at center etc. is a very Spanish affectation and knives fashioned after the plug bayonet form continued in Spain and its colonies well through 19th c. Often these were hunting type knives even though they looked like plug bayonets long since gone.
Here the blade is very much 'stiletto' as noted in style but of course broader and it would seem just carrying these conventions of plug bayonet and stiletto forward in a more recent dagger.

alex8765 · 24th April 2019, 09:36 PM

Thank you!

Ren Ren · 24th April 2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

The split grip separated by metal fixture at center etc. is a very Spanish affectation and knives fashioned after the plug bayonet form continued in Spain and its colonies well through 19th c.

I completely agree.
Therefore, I think that Argentina and Chile should also be taken into account.

Bob A · 24th April 2019, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren

I completely agree.
Therefore, I think that Argentina and Chile should also be taken into account.

For similar reason, Philippines crossed my mind, though the knife does seem more likely coming from NW coast area of Mediterranean to me; Spain, Corsica, Sicily. A bit on the crude side for Italy and France, but it has that "rural vigor" sort of flavor.

Jim McDougall · 24th April 2019, 10:23 PM

Argentina and Chile are definitely in the possible sphere for this as noted, as these are nominally Spanish, and the hilts on Chilean 'corvo' knife hilts, which are 'stacked' with these separators.

The Philippines also have this type affectation in their hilts in varying degree, so effectively by the hilt design this dagger could be from a broad scope of places in Spanish influence.

This is indeed crude, but local makers often tried to duplicate these finer weapons in kind, as Italy and often France typically set the pace for arms designs in many cases.

Ian · 25th April 2019, 03:38 AM

I think Jim is right that this may well be a colonial daga. I don't think it is Filipino because the hilt is very unusual for Ilokano work and they produced most of these style daggers coming from the Philippines.

South America seems likely. There is a similar style knife in the essay on Gaucho Knives by Abel Domenech on this site. Brazil, Argentina, Chile are all possibilities. Perhaps you could send an email with a picture to Mr. Domenech and ask him for his thoughts. He has replied to previous requests from Forum members and seems a generous person with his knowledge.

Ian

alex8765 · 25th April 2019, 02:44 PM

Thank you!

ausjulius · 27th April 2019, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

I think Jim is right that this may well be a colonial daga. I don't think it is Filipino because the hilt is very unusual for Ilokano work and they produced most of these style daggers coming from the Philippines.

South America seems likely. There is a similar style knife in the essay on Gaucho Knives by Abel Domenech on this site. Brazil, Argentina, Chile are all possibilities. Perhaps you could send an email with a picture to Mr. Domenech and ask him for his thoughts. He has replied to previous requests from Forum members and seems a generous person with his knowledge.

Ian

these are from the phillipines.. influenced by daggers form mexico. they were and are made in luzon.. dagupan and around san fernanado (the one in the north.. phillipines seems to like to repeat place names frequently )
mexican ones are of a better quality .. and spanish obviously much better again

carlos · 27th April 2019, 06:39 PM

My first impression was mexican, I have seen similars in Ebay...
Thanks

broadaxe · 27th April 2019, 11:18 PM

I'd say Philippines as well. Strong Spanish influence and may have been made for the Spanish market. They were also quite popular with US GI's stationed there by the end of WWII, as personal purchase theater daggers.

kronckew · 28th April 2019, 09:41 AM

Reminds me of some touareg daggers...

24th April 2019, 02:42 PM	#1
alex8765 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 63	Unknown dagger Hi gents, Can you please help me to identify this dagger? It's 13" long, hilt is brass and horn. Thanks Attached Images

24th April 2019, 03:00 PM	#2
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	not my area of expertise but looks like a Southern European stiletto to me.

24th April 2019, 08:34 PM	#3
alex8765 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 63	Thanks! Could it be Spanish or Mexican?

24th April 2019, 09:09 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	The split grip separated by metal fixture at center etc. is a very Spanish affectation and knives fashioned after the plug bayonet form continued in Spain and its colonies well through 19th c. Often these were hunting type knives even though they looked like plug bayonets long since gone. Here the blade is very much 'stiletto' as noted in style but of course broader and it would seem just carrying these conventions of plug bayonet and stiletto forward in a more recent dagger.

24th April 2019, 09:36 PM	#6
alex8765 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 63	Thank you!

24th April 2019, 10:23 PM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	Argentina and Chile are definitely in the possible sphere for this as noted, as these are nominally Spanish, and the hilts on Chilean 'corvo' knife hilts, which are 'stacked' with these separators. The Philippines also have this type affectation in their hilts in varying degree, so effectively by the hilt design this dagger could be from a broad scope of places in Spanish influence. This is indeed crude, but local makers often tried to duplicate these finer weapons in kind, as Italy and often France typically set the pace for arms designs in many cases.

25th April 2019, 03:38 AM	#10
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	I think Jim is right that this may well be a colonial daga. I don't think it is Filipino because the hilt is very unusual for Ilokano work and they produced most of these style daggers coming from the Philippines. South America seems likely. There is a similar style knife in the essay on Gaucho Knives by Abel Domenech on this site. Brazil, Argentina, Chile are all possibilities. Perhaps you could send an email with a picture to Mr. Domenech and ask him for his thoughts. He has replied to previous requests from Forum members and seems a generous person with his knowledge. Ian

25th April 2019, 02:44 PM	#11
alex8765 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 63	Thank you!

27th April 2019, 06:39 PM	#13
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	My first impression was mexican, I have seen similars in Ebay... Thanks

27th April 2019, 11:18 PM	#14
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	I'd say Philippines as well. Strong Spanish influence and may have been made for the Spanish market. They were also quite popular with US GI's stationed there by the end of WWII, as personal purchase theater daggers.

28th April 2019, 09:41 AM	#15
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Reminds me of some touareg daggers...