24th April 2019, 01:42 PM | #1 |
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Hi gents, Can you please help me to identify this dagger?
It's 13" long, hilt is brass and horn. Thanks |
24th April 2019, 02:00 PM | #2 |
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not my area of expertise but looks like a Southern European stiletto to me.
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24th April 2019, 07:34 PM | #3 |
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Thanks! Could it be Spanish or Mexican?
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24th April 2019, 08:09 PM | #5 |
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The split grip separated by metal fixture at center etc. is a very Spanish affectation and knives fashioned after the plug bayonet form continued in Spain and its colonies well through 19th c. Often these were hunting type knives even though they looked like plug bayonets long since gone.
Here the blade is very much 'stiletto' as noted in style but of course broader and it would seem just carrying these conventions of plug bayonet and stiletto forward in a more recent dagger. |
24th April 2019, 08:36 PM | #6 |
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Thank you!
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Therefore, I think that Argentina and Chile should also be taken into account. |
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24th April 2019, 09:23 PM | #9 |
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Argentina and Chile are definitely in the possible sphere for this as noted, as these are nominally Spanish, and the hilts on Chilean 'corvo' knife hilts, which are 'stacked' with these separators.
The Philippines also have this type affectation in their hilts in varying degree, so effectively by the hilt design this dagger could be from a broad scope of places in Spanish influence. This is indeed crude, but local makers often tried to duplicate these finer weapons in kind, as Italy and often France typically set the pace for arms designs in many cases. |
25th April 2019, 02:38 AM | #10 |
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I think Jim is right that this may well be a colonial daga. I don't think it is Filipino because the hilt is very unusual for Ilokano work and they produced most of these style daggers coming from the Philippines.
South America seems likely. There is a similar style knife in the essay on Gaucho Knives by Abel Domenech on this site. Brazil, Argentina, Chile are all possibilities. Perhaps you could send an email with a picture to Mr. Domenech and ask him for his thoughts. He has replied to previous requests from Forum members and seems a generous person with his knowledge. Ian |
25th April 2019, 01:44 PM | #11 |
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Thank you!
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mexican ones are of a better quality .. and spanish obviously much better again |
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27th April 2019, 05:39 PM | #13 |
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My first impression was mexican, I have seen similars in Ebay...
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27th April 2019, 10:18 PM | #14 |
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I'd say Philippines as well. Strong Spanish influence and may have been made for the Spanish market. They were also quite popular with US GI's stationed there by the end of WWII, as personal purchase theater daggers.
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28th April 2019, 08:41 AM | #15 |
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Reminds me of some touareg daggers...
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