Matchlock gun of Afghanistan?

ariel · 30th August 2018, 11:13 PM

Mahratt,
I can see that you are becoming progressively more agitated and, as often happens with you when your assertions are disputed, more and more sarcastic and even offensive.
Let me reassure you: there is nothing personal on my end. I am not into any firearms, and the current topic just randomly piqued my interest. I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less where this gun is from. It is just a detective story, no more.
So please calm down and try to be more polite.

Thanks for the pic. Would be nice to know what part of the world we are talking about and the origin of this gun. I recall that only 2 hours ago you considered the Corrado's gun to be of South Indian origin, " most likely".

Please refer to my note about Sandringham collection: its attributions are ironclad.

mahratt · 31st August 2018, 12:13 AM

Ariel, please specify which of my messages was sarcastic or offensive? I hope it will be easy for you to quote my words, which in your opinion are offensive?

You write a lot of words in this thread, but unfortunately, less and less of your words refer specifically to the topic of discussion..... By the way, I noticed an interesting trend))) Almost all topics in which I write here on the forum, suddenly cause you to "randomly interest." ))))

I am very glad that you are interested in the image I brought. This is a lithography of 1843, which is made from the watercolor of an English officer (from an album dedicated to the costumes of the peoples of Afghanistan). Apparently you noticed the similarity of matchlock corrado26 and the rifle on lithography? Is not it?
But, notice, I did not say anywhere that this illustration shows the origin of the matchlock corrado26.

As for the "polite", I'm sure the moderators will make a remark to me, if I'm "not polite". Or did I miss something and you became a moderator?

mahratt · 31st August 2018, 12:19 AM

By the way, maybe someone will think that the artist just painted matchlock is not realistic. And maybe someone will say that in fact the artist was thinking of portraying an ordinary Afghan jezail.
But, it's not. Pay attention to the following fragment of lithography from the same album:

Robert · 31st August 2018, 01:47 AM

Gentleman, The tone of the responses will become less aggressive and an atmosphere of decorum shall be maintained or I will be forced to lock this thread and ban the offending parties. Final warning.

Robert

bhushan_lawate · 31st August 2018, 07:58 AM

Hi --

A couple of clearer pics of the inscription and we can reasonably put the doubt to rest as it appears to have the name of the place/owner.

The script is Devanagari (used for Sanskrit, Hindi & Marathi languages) and the way the dot marks are - it could be attributed to the North West or Central states of India. -- so Indore could definitely be a possibility.

Also, important to note the depiction of "Ta" which is a short for "Taluka" or "District" if the legend is indeed "Ta" then the following word will be the name of the place and it will potentially also mean that the inscription is from a later date than the gun itself as "Districts" are a gift of the British Raj..

I'm sure there are more informed and knowledgeable forumites and we can all continue to learn as our fellow collectors acquire newer and newer "Old" collectibles...!!!

mahratt · 31st August 2018, 08:23 AM

bhushan_lawate, thanks for the info!

David R · 2nd September 2018, 12:19 PM

Regarding the rattan binding, personally I think that it is often used after more conventional capucines have been removed. If the originals were silver, either as simple capucines, or as "saddles" under leather or rawhide then I think they would have been removed as soon as the gun ceased to be used.

31st August 2018, 12:13 AM	#2
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Ariel, please specify which of my messages was sarcastic or offensive? I hope it will be easy for you to quote my words, which in your opinion are offensive? You write a lot of words in this thread, but unfortunately, less and less of your words refer specifically to the topic of discussion..... By the way, I noticed an interesting trend))) Almost all topics in which I write here on the forum, suddenly cause you to "randomly interest." )))) I am very glad that you are interested in the image I brought. This is a lithography of 1843, which is made from the watercolor of an English officer (from an album dedicated to the costumes of the peoples of Afghanistan). Apparently you noticed the similarity of matchlock corrado26 and the rifle on lithography? Is not it? But, notice, I did not say anywhere that this illustration shows the origin of the matchlock corrado26. As for the "polite", I'm sure the moderators will make a remark to me, if I'm "not polite". Or did I miss something and you became a moderator? Last edited by mahratt; 31st August 2018 at 05:02 AM.

31st August 2018, 12:19 AM	#3
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	By the way, maybe someone will think that the artist just painted matchlock is not realistic. And maybe someone will say that in fact the artist was thinking of portraying an ordinary Afghan jezail. But, it's not. Pay attention to the following fragment of lithography from the same album: Attached Images

30th August 2018, 11:13 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Mahratt, I can see that you are becoming progressively more agitated and, as often happens with you when your assertions are disputed, more and more sarcastic and even offensive. Let me reassure you: there is nothing personal on my end. I am not into any firearms, and the current topic just randomly piqued my interest. I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less where this gun is from. It is just a detective story, no more. So please calm down and try to be more polite. Thanks for the pic. Would be nice to know what part of the world we are talking about and the origin of this gun. I recall that only 2 hours ago you considered the Corrado's gun to be of South Indian origin, " most likely". Please refer to my note about Sandringham collection: its attributions are ironclad.

31st August 2018, 01:47 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Gentleman, The tone of the responses will become less aggressive and an atmosphere of decorum shall be maintained or I will be forced to lock this thread and ban the offending parties. Final warning. Robert

31st August 2018, 07:58 AM	#5
bhushan_lawate Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 77	Hi -- A couple of clearer pics of the inscription and we can reasonably put the doubt to rest as it appears to have the name of the place/owner. The script is Devanagari (used for Sanskrit, Hindi & Marathi languages) and the way the dot marks are - it could be attributed to the North West or Central states of India. -- so Indore could definitely be a possibility. Also, important to note the depiction of "Ta" which is a short for "Taluka" or "District" if the legend is indeed "Ta" then the following word will be the name of the place and it will potentially also mean that the inscription is from a later date than the gun itself as "Districts" are a gift of the British Raj.. I'm sure there are more informed and knowledgeable forumites and we can all continue to learn as our fellow collectors acquire newer and newer "Old" collectibles...!!!

31st August 2018, 08:23 AM	#6
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	bhushan_lawate, thanks for the info!

2nd September 2018, 12:19 PM	#7
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	Regarding the rattan binding, personally I think that it is often used after more conventional capucines have been removed. If the originals were silver, either as simple capucines, or as "saddles" under leather or rawhide then I think they would have been removed as soon as the gun ceased to be used.