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Hello All,
For your consideration, a Swiss flintlock of Belgian manufacture, with markings from Canton of Aargau. Maybe an Ordonnanz 1817 type, looks similar to French 1777 types. Last edited by Jon MB; 2nd April 2018 at 03:53 PM. |
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some more pics
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The modern miracle, if slightly wobbly, of Google Translate:
"Flintlock Ordonnanz 1817 An actual Ordonnanzgewehr 1817 does not exist. Around 1816, the guidelines were generously set in order to prevent any rearmament of the cantonal troops after the end of Napoleon's rule in the way. Under the name Ordonnanzgewehr 1817 you could find a variety of models. The most common was the French rifle 1777/1800, which acquired many cantons from France's holdings. The present rifle was made in 1824 and has a caliber of 18mm. With his naughty run, the accuracy was less than 100 meters. The big picture shows the flintlock (to the shot was in the cock a flint screwed, which struck at the pan against spark to the ignition)." http://www.1861.ch/pages/seitelangwaffen.htm Last edited by Jon MB; 2nd April 2018 at 08:18 PM. |
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Here is another example, from the Canton of Vaud.
http://www.tircollection.com/t7783-f...onal-type-1777 Last edited by Jon MB; 2nd April 2018 at 08:20 PM. |
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Very nice - great pictures!
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and here the same gun made for Neuchâtel
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Many thanks Corrado! Would be great to find more examples...
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"Steinschlossgewehr, Ord. 1817, Kt. Luzern mit nicht nummergleichem Bajonett, Kal. 18 mm, #621, Zustand: D+ [ANT]"
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/45021516_flintlock-musket-swiss-ordnance-1817 |
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ok, here is a gun of the "Kanton Basel"
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Thanks Corrado, nice resource we are compiling here.
This one also allegedly Swiss. http://www.tircollection.com/t21523-...en-pensez-vous Last edited by Jon MB; 3rd April 2018 at 07:05 PM. |
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This is the Belgian 1777 model, copied from the French. This is the same as the one at the start of the thread, except that one has had Swiss arsenal numbers added and the cantonal mark made on the stock.
The gun shown here is purely Belgian. http://gelain.net/fr/node/19 As noted elsewhere, Switzerland was not manufacturing her own arms at this time and many cantons used existing stocks of French weapons left from Swiss involvement in the Napoleonic wars, or some cantons imported the affordable Belgian weapons. In an attempt to bring some order to the situation, the Ordonnanz 1817 sought to define the specs of what were essentially 1777 muskets. This is what I have picked up along the way, I'll try to add some references. |
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Nice piece Jon. These French style muskets must have been popular with the troops. The 1777 seems to have been widely copied. Even the U.S. Springfield 1795/1816 was copied after these French muskets.
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It might be interesting to know that this French infantry gun M 1777 corrigé an 9 was the first really mass produced military weapon of the world: Between 1804 and 1820 more than 2 million of these guns have been built in France (Charleville, Mutzig, St. Etienne, Maubeuge,) Italy (Turin, Naples, Brescia) Belgium (Liège) and Germany (Suhl, Herzberg, Schmalkalden, St.Blasien)
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