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Old 14th March 2018, 07:42 PM   #1
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Default Caucasian Khanjar or Beibut dagger ?

Hello,

I have just bought this dagger in an auction on internet

the hilt shape look like a kindjal hilt ( seems made of horn )
the curved blade looks like a beibut dagger blade or a khanjar .

The scabbard ending mount has an ''ottoman/greek'' style
( made of brass ? )

so I make a ''mix'' between these informations and opt for a caucasian origin.

What do you think ?
All comments are welcomed.

I'll post better pictures when I'll receive it.

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Old 14th March 2018, 10:09 PM   #2
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I just found this dagger picture on internet,
said to be a kurdish dagger,

the scabbard is really similar,

the hilt ...hum...
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Old 15th March 2018, 05:56 PM   #3
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Maybe a japanese hirschfanger ?...

No one has got/seen a dagger like this one ?
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Old 15th March 2018, 08:50 PM   #4
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Kurdish khanjar from Turkey very much influenced by Caucasian as you wrote
interesting
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Old 15th March 2018, 11:05 PM   #5
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Hello and thank you Kubur,

I'll post interesting picture ( I hope !) when i'll receive it.

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Old 19th March 2018, 03:23 AM   #6
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Kindjals with curved blade are called Bebut in Russia, There was even a military variant of such a weapon with Bebut as its official name.
I have no idea what is the meaning of this name.
Anybody knows?
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Old 20th March 2018, 10:38 PM   #7
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Hello everybody,
I don't know too what bebut-beibut means
( I thought just maybe dagger or knife but it isn't...)

Just received the dagger,
really nice !!
turkish-kurdish khanjar as Kubur said,

I cleaned the scabbard, nice surprise, it's silver mounted.
The blade is interesting and a bit strange:
it's an heavy blade and on one side only,
the fuller seems to have been ''blued''.
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Old 20th March 2018, 10:41 PM   #8
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For the scabbard,
does anybody know the meaning of the fittings shape ?

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Old 22nd March 2018, 10:50 AM   #9
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I cleaned the blade too...
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Old 22nd March 2018, 11:02 AM   #10
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I used first sandpaper 400 then 600, 1000 and finish with 1500.
Still remains scratches/stripes...

A damas blade ?

Or just a rough old sharpening ?

I hesitate to etch the blade gently ( with lemon/ vinegar ?... )

Advices welcomed !!
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Old 23rd March 2018, 10:25 PM   #11
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In my experience many of these Kurdish Jambiyas have a watered blade. I would give it a go, you can always polish it out if you're not happy. A lot of etchants seem to leave a brown/yellow tinge. I have found that if, after stabilising, black boot polish is smeared on the blade and then vigorously polished off it leaves a pleasant dark hue to the blade.
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Old 24th March 2018, 09:23 PM   #12
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Hi Francantolin,
To me, it does not look Caucasian nor Turkish. In my view this is either Syrian Kurdish or from Iraq, very close to Syria. I say this because of the shape of the hilt and the blade with one central fuller. So, the dagger looks Syrian or thereabout, but the sheath is 100% Iraqi. This is my personal opinion and I have no literature to back it.
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Old 25th March 2018, 01:38 AM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard G
I have found that if, after stabilising, black boot polish is smeared on the blade and then vigorously polished off it leaves a pleasant dark hue to the blade.
Best wishes
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Never even thought of it!
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Old 25th March 2018, 01:45 AM   #14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by francantolin
I hesitate to etch the blade gently ( with lemon/ vinegar ?... )

Advices welcomed !!
Nital, 2%.
You can get it on Amazon, but all companies I tried to contact were ready to ship it only to a commercial address.
A friend of mine, who is a VP of a metalworking company, buys it for me.
If you have connections with chemistry lab, metal working company, professional blademaker etc, you are in luck.
No yucky brown stuff of ferric chloride!
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Old 25th March 2018, 12:37 PM   #15
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Thank you all !!

I'll try to find Nital 2%,
don't seems easy to find.

I work in an highschool; I will ask my colleague teaching physical if they have nitric acid in the laboratory and mix it with ethanol...( sure glasses, gloves and laboratory fume hood).
We'll see ...
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Old 26th March 2018, 04:46 PM   #16
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Hello,

I found concentrated chlorydric acid ( 20%) but no nitric acid,
I read it attacks strongly iron,
Do you think it can be used too ? ( 1-2 % ?)
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