The Issue of Ivory

mariusgmioc · 8th October 2017, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

To wit:
https://committeeforculturalpolicy.o...ry-repository/

This happens when idiocy rules!

We replaced normality and common sense with rules made by idiots and enforced by idiots. And unfortunately this trend can easily be seen in all aspects of our society.

A. G. Maisey · 8th October 2017, 09:12 AM

Yep.

I spent a lot of my life ensuring that rules fitting Marius' comments did in fact function effectively.

I've seen the bad joke from the inside.

Sajen · 8th October 2017, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

This happens when idiocy rules!

We replaced normality and common sense with rules made by idiots and enforced by idiots. And unfortunately this trend can easily be seen in all aspects of our society.

Wise words!

Rick · 8th October 2017, 05:34 PM

One more thing:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie...b_5745994.html

Tim Simmons · 8th October 2017, 06:16 PM

I could and will agree with all that has been said. However ivory is just another material like plastic except natural. The situation could promote a deeper appreciation of other materials or what we see as art and I have to say it what we believe to be " high end " a ghastly term. Some of the ivory "high end " is not worked in any remarkable art way, the only value is because people have been led to believe in the value. This is now going to change like many fashions and ideas in history. Sorry if it adds to the upset.

Rick · 8th October 2017, 06:50 PM

Is it ironic that even Mammoth ivory falls under this proscription?

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2017, 12:26 AM

You may well be right Tim.

However, ivory has been a part of the Human Experience for tens of thousands of years. I rather feel that an appreciation of ivory is locked firmly into the sub-conscious of many people, and that this inherited attitude crosses the boundaries of culture and society.

Can a momentary change in societal attitudes affect the heritage of the Human Experience?

Personally, I doubt that it can.

There may be a hiatus in the use and appreciation of ivory, a hiatus that will surely come to an end.

When the pendulum swings too far one way, it has nowhere to go except to swing back again, and eventually it comes to rest in the centre.

As this applies to ivory, perhaps during the Colonial Era there was an over-use of ivory, perhaps this overuse continued past the time when it could be supported, the result was that the pendulum swung too far into the range of use. Now we have the probably predictable reaction of well intentioned people, and the pendulum is on the verge of swinging too far into the range of non-use. Eventually that pendulum will commence to swing back to the range of use, and after an even longer period of time it will come to rest within the range of acceptable use.

All things pass, including the idiocy of well intentioned but badly misguided Tree Huggers.

In the meantime, opportunities are being presented for those who are prepared to ignore regulation to increase their wealth.

Total bans do nothing but encourage criminal activity.

Adequate control and management is a better option.

mariusgmioc · 9th October 2017, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Total bans do nothing but encourage criminal activity.

Hello Alan,

I wish I share your optimism illustrated by your pendulum example...

8th October 2017, 06:50 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Shotgun Laws Is it ironic that even Mammoth ivory falls under this proscription?

8th October 2017, 09:12 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Yep. I spent a lot of my life ensuring that rules fitting Marius' comments did in fact function effectively. I've seen the bad joke from the inside.

8th October 2017, 05:34 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	One more thing: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie...b_5745994.html

8th October 2017, 06:16 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I could and will agree with all that has been said. However ivory is just another material like plastic except natural. The situation could promote a deeper appreciation of other materials or what we see as art and I have to say it what we believe to be " high end " a ghastly term. Some of the ivory "high end " is not worked in any remarkable art way, the only value is because people have been led to believe in the value. This is now going to change like many fashions and ideas in history. Sorry if it adds to the upset.

9th October 2017, 12:26 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	You may well be right Tim. However, ivory has been a part of the Human Experience for tens of thousands of years. I rather feel that an appreciation of ivory is locked firmly into the sub-conscious of many people, and that this inherited attitude crosses the boundaries of culture and society. Can a momentary change in societal attitudes affect the heritage of the Human Experience? Personally, I doubt that it can. There may be a hiatus in the use and appreciation of ivory, a hiatus that will surely come to an end. When the pendulum swings too far one way, it has nowhere to go except to swing back again, and eventually it comes to rest in the centre. As this applies to ivory, perhaps during the Colonial Era there was an over-use of ivory, perhaps this overuse continued past the time when it could be supported, the result was that the pendulum swung too far into the range of use. Now we have the probably predictable reaction of well intentioned people, and the pendulum is on the verge of swinging too far into the range of non-use. Eventually that pendulum will commence to swing back to the range of use, and after an even longer period of time it will come to rest within the range of acceptable use. All things pass, including the idiocy of well intentioned but badly misguided Tree Huggers. In the meantime, opportunities are being presented for those who are prepared to ignore regulation to increase their wealth. Total bans do nothing but encourage criminal activity. Adequate control and management is a better option.