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DEAR FRIENDS I BOUGHT MYSELF A XMAS GIFT,THIS ALGERIAN MIQULET IS 164 CMS OVER 6 FEET ,HAS HAD MUCH USE,DECORATED WITH IVORY,SILVER AND RED CORAL
MORE INFORMATION WILL BE APPRECIATED RICK AND KUBUR NEED YOUR COMMENTS THANKS Last edited by BANDOOK; 6th December 2016 at 09:22 AM. |
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My Dear Friend
Congratulations, it's a very good catch. An authentic Algerian moukhala and a very good one, with silver and coral decorations, very good barrel bands, and a very good lock too. Do you have an Arabic signature under the spring? Do you have a photo of the barrel? Can you do a photo of the ramrod? It looks very good too! Best wishes, Kubur |
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For the mark often seen on Algerian guns see~
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ALGERIAN+STAMP at # 149 photos 1 and 2. and #176 photos 1 and 2. Also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...GERIAN+STAMP#3 photo 5. ![]() One of the marks was found on a sword and one on an Algerian gun...Identical. ![]() Both placed below for reference. |
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Hi Rajesh.
WOW!! Great find. Congratulations. Yes, please post more pics after you receive it. That gun should clean up very nice. And would take only minor restoration - should you desire. LOCK: On these Algerian locks the mainspring operates off the TOE of the hammer. In this case, it looks like the mainspring has slipped off the hammer, or otherwise become detached from one another. But looking at the photos it does not seem to have broke anywhere. If so, it will just take a mainspring vise to re-engage it to the hammer. Note: These mainsprings are very strong, and care must be taken not to damage the lock. A little bit of cleaning and work should make this a nice display piece. Can't wait to see more pics. Rick |
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I remember this Thread very well. I remember thinking to myself: What are the chances of finding the same makers mark on both a gunlock and a blade ? Likely made in the same shop. Amasing. Rick |
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WILL ALSO SEND MORE PICTURES ONCE I GET IT IN MY HAND KIND REGARDS RAJESH |
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Hello
Just to say it's not a lock miguelete. Is a lock "to the morlacca" or "to the mojaca". The miguelete has "pin" and two "chocks". This key has a safety hook, and the shot is produced by a single "chock". It has many characteristics of the lock miguelete and has as antecedent the lock of "agujeta". It was produced by the Bresia gunsmiths to export to the East, and then copied by the native gunsmiths. Fernando K |
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I was thinking that this lock came from Spanish Holland to Spain and then North Africa... What you propose is probably true for the Balkans and also Turkey. Kubur |
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I am solidly with Fernando K on this one, that is, this lock is a "stretched" agujeta lock, a type of lock probably born in Brescia, copied in North Africa, may or may not have preceded the classic patilla miquelet, but certainly ended up as the "romanlock". This lock appears to be missing the "catch" part of the back catch to the hammer, which leaves the lock with only one precarious full cock bent/notch/choke.
Kubar hinted that the lock may have come from Holland. Maybe so. The N. African model of the snaphance most likely came from Holland, as well as other European manufacturers for the North African trade, some locks and such for ransom payments and just plain commerce. No dispute on that, per Elgood. Just sayin' At any rate, nice find. Respectfully, Jw |
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Miqueleter
The lock of "agujeta" called by the Spaniards also "lock of transition" also influences to the lock of Ceylan, via Portugal Fernando K |
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THANKS FERNANDO K,MIQUELTER J.K ,KUBUR,IBRAHIIM,RICK
SOME MORE PICTURES AS PROMISED AS GUN IS IN MY HAND NOW MANY THANKS RAJESH |
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Hello, Bandook
It seems to me that the end of the royal pier has broken. It's like this Fernando K |
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HI FERNANDO NO PICTURE TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE,REGARDS RAJESH
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Hi Rajesh.
Thanks for the additional photos. It looks like a nice piece, that should clean up well with a little work. After looking further, it does appear Fernando K is correct. It seems a tiny piece of the brass covered support plate, just in front of the screw, is broke. But the mainspring does not rest on this piece. It rests on the toe of the hammer. See photo below. The mainspring does not "appear" to be broke. Possibly someone was trying to do some type of repair, but did not really know what they are doing (?) Hopefully, there is a gunsmith in your area that is familiar with the early guns/locks. You would be surprised at how many modern gunsmiths are not. If you can't locate one, send me a PM. Rick |
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Woops. Forgot to post the photo.
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Looking at the pan cover I see what could be an inscription ...see your 7th picture... The left narrow panel of the pan cover . Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi |
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THANKS EVERYONE WHO HAVE COMMENTED/SUGGESTED ON MY POST REGARDS RAJESH |
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Hello everyone
If the larger spring has escaped from its position on the front of the cat's foot, when it has reached the full cock position, it means that the end of the spring or foot of the cat foot has been broken. It is what you see in the photographs, the cat's foot has reached the extreme position, and the spring has come out Fernando K |
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CAN WE SEE EXAMPLES OF POWDER FLASK FROM ALGERIA WHICH WERE USED DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF THESE MUSKETS,I HAVE POWDER FLASKS FROM NEIGHBOURING MOROCCO BUT NONE FROM ALGERIA,REGARDS RAJESH
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That's one I don't have in my collection. Like you, I have ones traceable to Morocco, but not Algeria. It seems many of the Algerian flasks were made of wood. Artzi has had a couple for sale in the past. And I should have bought one while I had the chance. But I haven't seen anything offered for a while. But I haven't been looking very hard either, being busy with other gun projects. I know of one currently for sale. But the seller wants wayyyy too much for it. Maybe one of the other Forum members has an example? Rick |
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Rick is always right : wood and even overpriced object. I attach two classical examples. Please, note that some of the so-called Moroccans were probably Algerians in fact. Plus you have another kind, a small powder horn made of full silver and for the elite in Algiers, I will post one photo later... Best, Kubur |
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Thanks Kubur
nice examples on the stamps,so we know know what they look like at auctions,sales etc regards Rajesh |
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THANKS RICK
WILL HUNT AND AM SURE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE WILL GET IT,NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE,WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO DREAM CHEERS RAJESH |
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