Please ID this barrel

Kubur · 22nd July 2016, 06:26 PM

Hi,

I post this pistol here, despite the fact that its an Algerian one.
The barrel has two stamps.
CAM 3150
J 6083
I believe that is a rifle barrel cut to fit a pistol.
It's a very long pistol 58cm. Due to the origin of the pistol I believe the barrel to be French or Spanish. I will be really grateful if you can help to trace the origin of this barrel...
Thanks

Kubur

rickystl · 23rd July 2016, 08:35 PM

Hi Kubur

That's an interesting pistol. Agree, definately Algerian. The style of open work on the lock, the barrel bands, and the grip area are all typical of Algerian pistols. The butt cap and grip of the stock styling were also popular with Italian pistols of the 18th Century. But, as we know, many of these early - even pre 1750 - styling techniques continued with Ottoman guns well into the 19th Century.
BARREL: Hmmmm. Hard to say. The raised, central rib with the two side ribs remind me more of French or Italian barrel styling. Does the central, raised rib (and maybe the other two) run the full length of the barrel ? another pic of the full length of the barrel - from the top - would be useful. Maybe without the barrel bands. The barrel does seem to have a nice, wide breech.
Whats curious is the two sets of letters/numbers on the barrel. Could be spurious marks. But simple letters/numbers would not make sense for that. Maybe they were added latter when the pistol was captured ?
The whole pistol would be worth further investigation also on the Ethno Forum.
Rick

Kubur · 26th August 2016, 09:15 AM

Dear All,

After few investigations, it seems that the barrel could be a rifle barrel.
Most probably LEBEL or GRAS rifle form the French army sent to Belgium to be exported to Magreb / North Africa. Needs to be confirmed
It's sad that firearms don't attract people. May be next time i'll write sword in the title of my thread like on ebay, all adds start by shamshir...

Best,
Kubur

ChrisPer · 28th August 2016, 02:57 PM

Don't worry firearms are attractive to us but the question is not one I can help with, in regard to the barrel. The numbers are industrial stamps, applied individually without the care a skilled gunsmith would usually use. Note the overturned W used as M, reduces the number of stamps needed in a set. The numeral style is at earliest 19th to early 20th century in my opinion, and the look of the superscript m to my mind is French.

This would be consistent with arms registration in the 20th century, when police or tradesmen not artisan gunsmiths apply the numbers. Perhaps Algerie Francaise registered all weapons.

rickystl · 28th August 2016, 03:28 PM

Kubur: Do you have a pic of the muzzle of the barrel ? Is the barrel actually rifled ? Or smoothbore ? And approximate caliber ?

Rick

rickystl · 28th August 2016, 03:32 PM

At the moment, the Post above by ChrisPer makes the most sense to me.

Rick

Kubur · 28th August 2016, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Kubur: Do you have a pic of the muzzle of the barrel ? Is the barrel actually rifled ? Or smoothbore ? And approximate caliber ?

Rick

Thanks both for your notes.
It's a smoothbore, the caliber i don't know, it s a very very long pistol around 56cm...

22nd July 2016, 06:26 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Please ID this barrel Hi, I post this pistol here, despite the fact that its an Algerian one. The barrel has two stamps. CAM 3150 J 6083 I believe that is a rifle barrel cut to fit a pistol. It's a very long pistol 58cm. Due to the origin of the pistol I believe the barrel to be French or Spanish. I will be really grateful if you can help to trace the origin of this barrel... Thanks Kubur Attached Images

23rd July 2016, 08:35 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Kubur That's an interesting pistol. Agree, definately Algerian. The style of open work on the lock, the barrel bands, and the grip area are all typical of Algerian pistols. The butt cap and grip of the stock styling were also popular with Italian pistols of the 18th Century. But, as we know, many of these early - even pre 1750 - styling techniques continued with Ottoman guns well into the 19th Century. BARREL: Hmmmm. Hard to say. The raised, central rib with the two side ribs remind me more of French or Italian barrel styling. Does the central, raised rib (and maybe the other two) run the full length of the barrel ? another pic of the full length of the barrel - from the top - would be useful. Maybe without the barrel bands. The barrel does seem to have a nice, wide breech. Whats curious is the two sets of letters/numbers on the barrel. Could be spurious marks. But simple letters/numbers would not make sense for that. Maybe they were added latter when the pistol was captured ? The whole pistol would be worth further investigation also on the Ethno Forum. Rick

26th August 2016, 09:15 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Dear All, After few investigations, it seems that the barrel could be a rifle barrel. Most probably LEBEL or GRAS rifle form the French army sent to Belgium to be exported to Magreb / North Africa. Needs to be confirmed It's sad that firearms don't attract people. May be next time i'll write sword in the title of my thread like on ebay, all adds start by shamshir... Best, Kubur

28th August 2016, 02:57 PM	#4
ChrisPer Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 35	Don't worry firearms are attractive to us but the question is not one I can help with, in regard to the barrel. The numbers are industrial stamps, applied individually without the care a skilled gunsmith would usually use. Note the overturned W used as M, reduces the number of stamps needed in a set. The numeral style is at earliest 19th to early 20th century in my opinion, and the look of the superscript m to my mind is French. This would be consistent with arms registration in the 20th century, when police or tradesmen not artisan gunsmiths apply the numbers. Perhaps Algerie Francaise registered all weapons.

28th August 2016, 03:28 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Kubur: Do you have a pic of the muzzle of the barrel ? Is the barrel actually rifled ? Or smoothbore ? And approximate caliber ? Rick

28th August 2016, 03:32 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	At the moment, the Post above by ChrisPer makes the most sense to me. Rick