Uzbek Central Asian Powder flaSKS

Kubur · 27th May 2016, 11:03 AM

Hi,

Is someone knows anything about them?
or has some photographs...
THANKS

Best,
Kubur

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th May 2016, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi,

Is someone knows anything about them?
or has some photographs...
THANKS

Best,
Kubur

Heres one...Made of wood and covered in textile of traditional up the silk road Gul /Scorpion design covering it.

rickystl · 28th May 2016, 03:19 PM

BEAUTIFUL FLASK !!!!
Rick.

Kubur · 29th May 2016, 04:20 PM

Thank you Ibrahim!
I was thinking that Uzbek powder flasks were differents...
No more examples or ideas?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th May 2016, 07:47 PM

I think we need to look at a few different variants...neighboring the Uzbek area...mainly India...though there is every likelihood of Chinese ...since the silk road is common to both...

Kubur · 29th May 2016, 08:42 PM

Thank you Ibrahim, i'm looking for a particular model published by Tirri.
I think that he did a mistake, but I'm not sure...

Kubur · 18th September 2016, 08:40 PM

Hi,
I come back to my question.
Up to now only ibrahim tried to respond.
Sold recently as an Arabian powder flask, but obviously it's Turkmen.

Guys do you think that is a powder flask or Afghan TurkmenTobacco-Snuff Box also known as a Nas Kedi (Naskady)?

I'm pretty sure of the orgin but not of the function. But the Tobacco-Snuff Box seems well documented compared to the powder flask...
Someome has the answer???
Kubur

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th September 2016, 11:26 PM

This type is made from gourds...See examples at https://www.google.com/search?q=gour...w=1047&bih=510

Battara · 18th September 2016, 11:41 PM

What gorgeous flasks!!!!

Now I may want one (or two, three, etc).

Great.......now more things to spend my money on.........

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th September 2016, 03:14 AM

I have to say that after hours looking for exhibits I have turned up almost nought which is perhaps to be expected the way history has dealt its hand to Uzbekistan down the ages not least in the Soviet era. I am not sure if there is an Uzbek style of powder flask but that styles from surrounding areas including Persia and India formed the backbone of adopted flasks. I only found one other picture of vague interest of an Uzbek warrior probably pre gunpowder...and place that as an example of the paucity of such work... personally I suspect that anything that looked like a powder flask on the silk road with the appearance of gunpowder weapons would have been used by the Uzbek shooters.

Oliver Pinchot · 19th September 2016, 04:40 PM

Those gourds are for powdered tobacco.
Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common.

Kubur · 19th September 2016, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Those gourds are for powdered tobacco.
Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common.

Thank you very much Oliver, you answered both questions. The shape is very Caucasian too and the metal and decorations are very Persian. Very interesting thank you!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th September 2016, 09:25 PM

Is this a reasonable example?

Kubur · 19th September 2016, 11:07 PM

Dear Oliver,
Can I ask you for this one?
Thanks
Kubur

Oliver Pinchot · 20th September 2016, 05:29 AM

Salaam ya Ibrahiim,

We are looking at Persian forms which were adopted by many cultures, including the Ottomans, Central Asian and Caucasian groups.
In order to attribute it, it would be necessary to see closeups of the engraving on the silver mounts. That said, it's probably Caucasian, nice example.

Oliver Pinchot · 20th September 2016, 05:38 AM

This second flask is certainly Central Asian, probably Afghan work.
The technique of piercing the mounts and filling them with pitch or sealing wax and then polishing them flat is a very old one which originates in Persian shops. However, we recognize this work primarily in Afghanistan in the 19th century; it is a technique which fell out of fashion in Persia at some point, but remained very popular in Central Asia.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 20th September 2016, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Salaam ya Ibrahiim,

We are looking at Persian forms which were adopted by many cultures, including the Ottomans, Central Asian and Caucasian groups.
In order to attribute it, it would be necessary to see closeups of the engraving on the silver mounts. That said, it's probably Caucasian, nice example.

Salaams Oliver; Thanks very much...

Kubur · 23rd September 2016, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Oliver; Thanks very much...

Yes thank you very much Oliver, very useful

27th May 2016, 11:03 AM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Uzbek Central Asian Powder flaSKS Hi, Is someone knows anything about them? or has some photographs... THANKS Best, Kubur

29th May 2016, 07:47 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I think we need to look at a few different variants...neighboring the Uzbek area...mainly India...though there is every likelihood of Chinese ...since the silk road is common to both... Attached Images

18th September 2016, 08:40 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi, I come back to my question. Up to now only ibrahim tried to respond. Sold recently as an Arabian powder flask, but obviously it's Turkmen. Guys do you think that is a powder flask or Afghan TurkmenTobacco-Snuff Box also known as a Nas Kedi (Naskady)? I'm pretty sure of the orgin but not of the function. But the Tobacco-Snuff Box seems well documented compared to the powder flask... Someome has the answer??? Kubur Attached Images

18th September 2016, 11:26 PM	#8
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This type is made from gourds...See examples at https://www.google.com/search?q=gour...w=1047&bih=510 Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 18th September 2016 at 11:37 PM.

19th September 2016, 03:14 AM	#10
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I have to say that after hours looking for exhibits I have turned up almost nought which is perhaps to be expected the way history has dealt its hand to Uzbekistan down the ages not least in the Soviet era. I am not sure if there is an Uzbek style of powder flask but that styles from surrounding areas including Persia and India formed the backbone of adopted flasks. I only found one other picture of vague interest of an Uzbek warrior probably pre gunpowder...and place that as an example of the paucity of such work... personally I suspect that anything that looked like a powder flask on the silk road with the appearance of gunpowder weapons would have been used by the Uzbek shooters. Attached Images

28th May 2016, 03:19 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	BEAUTIFUL FLASK !!!! Rick.

29th May 2016, 04:20 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you Ibrahim! I was thinking that Uzbek powder flasks were differents... No more examples or ideas?

29th May 2016, 08:42 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you Ibrahim, i'm looking for a particular model published by Tirri. I think that he did a mistake, but I'm not sure...

18th September 2016, 11:41 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	What gorgeous flasks!!!! Now I may want one (or two, three, etc). Great.......now more things to spend my money on.........

19th September 2016, 04:40 PM	#11
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Those gourds are for powdered tobacco. Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common. Attached Images

19th September 2016, 09:25 PM	#13
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Is this a reasonable example? Attached Images

19th September 2016, 11:07 PM	#14
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Dear Oliver, Can I ask you for this one? Thanks Kubur Attached Images

20th September 2016, 05:29 AM	#15
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Salaam ya Ibrahiim, We are looking at Persian forms which were adopted by many cultures, including the Ottomans, Central Asian and Caucasian groups. In order to attribute it, it would be necessary to see closeups of the engraving on the silver mounts. That said, it's probably Caucasian, nice example.

20th September 2016, 05:38 AM	#16
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	This second flask is certainly Central Asian, probably Afghan work. The technique of piercing the mounts and filling them with pitch or sealing wax and then polishing them flat is a very old one which originates in Persian shops. However, we recognize this work primarily in Afghanistan in the 19th century; it is a technique which fell out of fashion in Persia at some point, but remained very popular in Central Asia.