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Here is one of my recent buys.
Total length is 36" (straight line), the blade is 29" (straight line), the hilt 6.5" and the guard seems to be made of steel or iron. I think the guard and the hilt could be a recent restoration. There is also an inscription on the ridge of the blade. Please advice on the blade authenticity (makers mark? year?) and I would really appreciate any help with inscriptions. |
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My friend, i am sorry to say this is a 100% newly made sword.
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Agree with Eftihis, this is newly made sword, including the blade.
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I was wondering that myself.
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Guys, please elaborate. This would have fooled me, and I would have bought it if given the chance. How did you determine it is newly made? TIA
Harry |
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These swords appear on e-bay regularly: from Beirut and from Turkey. They used to be advertised from Damascus, but I guess Syrian mail service had some problems recently.
Every part is "off": handle, blade, crossguard. I am not going to elaborate: let the fakers guess what exactly is wrong with their junk. |
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Thanks everybody for your input. I guess I will just return it.
![]() Just FYI this is a really good job for a fake sword. And the inlay is done pretty neat compared to Indian swords. If one can get these really cheap it would be OK to buy it. |
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Yes sometimes members judgments are very frustrating. Sometimes they are also completly wrong. Beware of that! I'm afraid to say that they are so right for this one. The best answer to your question is to look at the real ones. Look at the details of the blade, guard, grips... For me the worst is not the pure fakes, the worst is when sellers mix old and new. We have a lot of dealers on this forum, I'm sure they know what i'mean... Kubur |
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I MUST ADMIT THAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO REPLIED AND ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION HAVE REPLIED IN A VERY NICE AND KIND WAY AND MADE YOU CAUTIOUS,AS THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO RIDICULE AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE ONE IS A FOOL,WE ALL ARE LEARNING AND NO ONE IS AN EXPERT AND AN EXPERT ALSO CAN BE FOOLED
GOOD LUCK AND THANKS FOR POSTING REGARDS RAJESH |
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just a few tidbits about these swords, they appeared in about 2010, made in Syria and/or Turkey. The blade looks gold inlaid, as initially thought, but it is neither gold nor inlay, it is surface template-based application, far from anything it appeared to be. You may see an old thread with similar swords from when they began making them HERE
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Arsen, you are most welcome! I am glad you posted this sword and got the facts about it. This is part of collecting, and I think safe to say every one of us made some miscalculations at some point, especially when going by only online images.
here are a few more swords of similar nature, not even most from just the past several weeks alone. one even has the reference of authentic sword from Tirri book attached, as to stress the importance of everything that remotely resembles it, and the description states "likely 1700s to 1800s period, of course ![]() |
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The second and fourth ones look good to me... The last one is just a good old Turkish touristic sword... Best, Kubur |
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see the second and third, they have identical cartouches
![]() The last one also shows some age, but is it any old? see the below image that Harry recently posted for sale (Harry, hope you do not mind I am referencing your item here). They are similar, but one is aged, no? i mean it can be a few years old, could be 5 or 10, but 1800...? Last edited by ALEX; 7th January 2016 at 01:23 PM. |
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i talked about the first one for the last one, yes, like Harry's Turkish daggers, i would say around 1900-1920. Touristic, but old... Nevertheless they continue to do these kind of daggers up to now if i'm not mistaken... By the way a lot of pistols fall in this category too... |
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Kubur, I see. The first one is tough as the cartouche is of different quality than others, visually it looks right, but there are giveaways I'd not go about here. All I can tell is I saw old wootz swords being sold without cartouches, and then some time later mysteriously reappeared with similar, even better quality cartouches. but this one is easier as it has new blade)
As for wooden sword, you could be right. it's just me being skeptical about it) |
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While we are on the subject....very recently I have seen a rash of swords/daggers etc that just look funny, either they have no wear but appear to be nicely made, or they have a lot of gold that looks really new while the sword/dagger looks old but not of the quality to be layered in gold etc etc. Some of the sales prices have been quite high.
How about this, bone grip, lots of new looking gold, the sellers description never mentions age. Quote:
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Estcrh, good observation and comments. Your feelings are well merited. most of the items coming from the same source as this one are enhanced, modified or at least questionable. The seller does not mention age. the notion of "most amazing and rare dagger on earth" is subjective and individual, some like items that just "look" amazing, as the swords above, but in terms of ethnographic or historic significance they are meaningless.
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