Newly made Kindjal?

ALEX · 5th January 2016, 02:00 PM

I am at it again, noticing more "genuine antique" items

Here is Caucasian Kindjal with silver cogtgari. Next to it similar, although better quality in gold coftgari. Is it safe to assume both are recently made in India?

ariel · 5th January 2016, 02:17 PM

There are quite a few similar items coming out of Georgia.
Admittedly, some ( not all!) Georgian sellers openly indicate that their items are newly made and the greatest majority do not claim antique origin.
Indian sellers have no such scrupules.

ALEX · 5th January 2016, 02:38 PM

Good to know, Ariel. Thanks!
Is coftgari practiced in Georgia nowadays, how common and (visually) similar it is to Indian work?

ariel · 5th January 2016, 11:50 PM

The lower one might be from there.

arsendaday · 6th January 2016, 03:29 AM

The first one is made in India. I have one of those and it is completely off. The one with gold coftgari looks more "authentic" i.e. it has all the features of a real kindjal and the rivets are done right. The only "flaw" is the ring on the scabbard, And I think that if this was made in Georgia they wouldn't miss it. So I guess Syria?

ALEX · 6th January 2016, 01:56 PM

Thanks Arsen, and Ariel,
Arsen, good comment about the "flaw", this was the reason I thought both are from India, made in different qualities. Syria could be an option, but the steel type points more towards India.

arsendaday · 7th January 2016, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

Thanks Arsen, and Ariel,
Arsen, good comment about the "flaw", this was the reason I thought both are from India, made in different qualities. Syria could be an option, but the steel type points more towards India.

Could be Indian, because of the style of coftgari work, but if you search "Syrian Kindjal" on Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=Syri..._AUIBigB&dpr=1
You will see that most of those have the same ring. So maybe an Insian copy of a Syrian Kindjal

5th January 2016, 02:00 PM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Newly made Kindjal? I am at it again, noticing more "genuine antique" items Here is Caucasian Kindjal with silver cogtgari. Next to it similar, although better quality in gold coftgari. Is it safe to assume both are recently made in India? Attached Images

5th January 2016, 02:17 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There are quite a few similar items coming out of Georgia. Admittedly, some ( not all!) Georgian sellers openly indicate that their items are newly made and the greatest majority do not claim antique origin. Indian sellers have no such scrupules.

5th January 2016, 02:38 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Good to know, Ariel. Thanks! Is coftgari practiced in Georgia nowadays, how common and (visually) similar it is to Indian work?

5th January 2016, 11:50 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The lower one might be from there.

6th January 2016, 03:29 AM	#5
arsendaday Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 44	The first one is made in India. I have one of those and it is completely off. The one with gold coftgari looks more "authentic" i.e. it has all the features of a real kindjal and the rivets are done right. The only "flaw" is the ring on the scabbard, And I think that if this was made in Georgia they wouldn't miss it. So I guess Syria?

6th January 2016, 01:56 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Thanks Arsen, and Ariel, Arsen, good comment about the "flaw", this was the reason I thought both are from India, made in different qualities. Syria could be an option, but the steel type points more towards India.