Tulwar....?

kino · 29th June 2015, 09:42 PM

This Tulwar(?), was offered to me in exchange for another sword.
Although it's not really what I collect, it was too nice for me to pass up.
So is it a Tulwar or does it go by another name?

Rick · 29th June 2015, 10:10 PM

Hey !
Nice sword .

I've got one quite similar; possibly the best blade I own, it's very fine grained wootz . .
I keep pestering people for a name for this sword that isn't Tulwar .

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1048

kino · 30th June 2015, 01:33 AM

Thanks Rick.
Same blade profile as your wootz, not a Tulwar sword.
Perhaps this thread will jog someone's memory.

Rick · 30th June 2015, 04:42 AM

This term was bandied about here; somewhat far into the thread .
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13714
Flex .

ariel · 30th June 2015, 11:00 AM

There are multiple names of Indian swords mentioned by local and European sources for which we have no actual examples, as well as multiple actual swords for which we have no names.

We should learn to live with it.

East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.

Jim McDougall · 1st July 2015, 01:17 PM

The 'name game' often becomes a slippery slope as these classifications seem often debated and conflicting in various sources.
This (very nice example BTW) sword of course has the very familiar hilt we all know as the 'Indo-Persian' form characteristic of Indian 'tulwars'.
It should be remembered that 'tulwar' is a rather generally applied term in India for sword, and often is used referring to shamshirs or other forms of sabre in many cases.

Rawson does, as I recall, use the term 'sukhela' as Rick as noted, for a 'tulwar' with a straight blade.

It would seem that one could safely use the term sukhela here, but technically 'tulwar' would suffice. Sometimes when getting too touchy about terms it is safer to use descriptive or qualifying character of the weapon, but seems unnecessary for simple classification.

kino · 2nd July 2015, 04:06 AM

I didn't know up to now that in the land of their origin that a Tulwar meant sword, so a sword is a sword is a sword.....

29th June 2015, 09:42 PM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,004	Tulwar....? This Tulwar(?), was offered to me in exchange for another sword. Although it's not really what I collect, it was too nice for me to pass up. So is it a Tulwar or does it go by another name? Attached Images

30th June 2015, 04:42 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Sukhela ? This term was bandied about here; somewhat far into the thread . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13714 Flex . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 30th June 2015 at 05:18 AM.

29th June 2015, 10:10 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hey ! Nice sword . I've got one quite similar; possibly the best blade I own, it's very fine grained wootz . . I keep pestering people for a name for this sword that isn't Tulwar . http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1048

30th June 2015, 01:33 AM	#3
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,004	Thanks Rick. Same blade profile as your wootz, not a Tulwar sword. Perhaps this thread will jog someone's memory.

30th June 2015, 11:00 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There are multiple names of Indian swords mentioned by local and European sources for which we have no actual examples, as well as multiple actual swords for which we have no names. We should learn to live with it. East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.

1st July 2015, 01:17 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,952	The 'name game' often becomes a slippery slope as these classifications seem often debated and conflicting in various sources. This (very nice example BTW) sword of course has the very familiar hilt we all know as the 'Indo-Persian' form characteristic of Indian 'tulwars'. It should be remembered that 'tulwar' is a rather generally applied term in India for sword, and often is used referring to shamshirs or other forms of sabre in many cases. Rawson does, as I recall, use the term 'sukhela' as Rick as noted, for a 'tulwar' with a straight blade. It would seem that one could safely use the term sukhela here, but technically 'tulwar' would suffice. Sometimes when getting too touchy about terms it is safer to use descriptive or qualifying character of the weapon, but seems unnecessary for simple classification.

2nd July 2015, 04:06 AM	#7
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,004	I didn't know up to now that in the land of their origin that a Tulwar meant sword, so a sword is a sword is a sword.....