KALIS BISAYA

Amuk Murugul · 19th May 2015, 09:43 AM

Hullo everybody!

Couldn't resist the opportunity to snap and post this lot.

Here's the description for the first pic, from bottom to top:

1. Name: Awang Semaoen

Classication: Kalis Siam Sikoe Walik BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade: LxOALxWxT=51.5x64x10.65x0.83cm.
Handle:Sari Manoek
Integrated Ngganja

2. Name: Awang Al Akbar Tatar

Classification: Kalis Poelogteloe Sikoe Naga Djaladara BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade:LxOALxWxT=47.5x61x9.79x1.32cm.
Handle: Sari Manoek

3. Name: Awang Koejoeh

Classification: Kalis Siam Sikoe Naga Walik BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade:LxOALxWxT=50x63x11.15x1.98cm.
Handle:Sari Manoek
Integrated Ngganja

4. Name: Panglima Awang Pahlawan

Classification:Kalis Siam Sikoe Lini BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade:LxOALxWxT=52.5x65x10.77x2.39cm.
Handle:Sari Manoek

5. Name: Panglima Awang Silap Al Aboe
Classification:Kalis Poelogsa Naga Mahesa Garantang BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade:LxOALxWxT=61x75x11.3x1.75cm.
Handle:Sari Manoek

BANDOOK · 19th May 2015, 11:17 AM

great condition for its age,cheers

VANDOO · 20th May 2015, 05:42 AM

A NICE LOOKING LOT.

IS SARI MANOEK THE NAME OF THE CRAFTSMAN MAKING THE HANDLES? IF SO HE HAS A INTERESTING AND ATTRACTIVE STYLE. A NICE RANGE OF BLADES AS WELL ARE THEY OLDER AND DO ANY HAVE PATTERENED BLADES.? THANKS FOR SHAREING.

Rick · 20th May 2015, 10:34 PM

It's a pommel style .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarimanok

Amuk Murugul · 18th June 2015, 07:02 AM

Hullo everybody!

Enjoy!

With ref. to 1st. photo:

TOP
Name: Matamata Bisaja
Classification: Kalis Poelogsa Sikoe Naga Mahesa Garantang BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade: LxOALxWxT=47x53x1.69x11.63cm.
Handle: Sari Pralamba
Note: 'square' tang cross-section

BOTTOM
Name: Djiwa Pahlawan
Classification: Kalis Siam Sikoe Lini BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade: LxOALxWxT=49x55x1.33x1.29cm.
Handle: Sari Pralamba
Note: interesting 'elephant's trunk' area

Sajen · 18th June 2015, 08:05 AM

Beautiful examples, thank you for sharing.

Are there scabbards with them?

Regards,
Detlef

Amuk Murugul · 18th June 2015, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Beautiful examples, thank you for sharing.

Are there scabbards with them?

Regards,
Detlef

Hullo Detlef,

Sorry, no original scabbards. As it was , I was lucky enough to rescue these pieces, especially the bottom one. It looked like it had been burnt. Both are 'works in progress' for the future.

Best,

Battara · 19th June 2015, 01:03 AM

Congratulations for saving these and many thanks for posting them.

Great condition too!

Rick · 19th June 2015, 01:21 AM

We have one Kalis with a round tang in your last picture, and one with a flattened tang .
Does this mean that one is Malay, and one Moro ?

They both would appear to be Moro without seeing the tangs .

Do we put another assumption to the test here; or have I forgotten something ??

It appears to me that the Malay/Moro line is becoming a bit blurred .

Amuk Murugul · 19th June 2015, 05:37 AM

Hullo Everybody!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Congratulations for saving these and many thanks for posting them.

Great condition too!

Hullo Battara,
Thank you. It took a lot of 'elbow-grease' to get them to the condition they are now in. Still needs some work, especially on the handles. On the bottom one, part of it was greasy charcoal, which I tried to remove without causing too much further damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

We have one Kalis with a round tang in your last picture, and one with a flattened tang .
Does this mean that one is Malay, and one Moro ?
They both would appear to be Moro without seeing the tangs .

Do we put another assumption to the test here; or have I forgotten something ??

It appears to me that the Malay/Moro line is becoming a bit blurred .

Hullo Rick,
The 'round' tang is actually a square tang with smoothed corners.
They are both from the same people, the Bisaja, whom I consider to be essentially Malay. With every piece I own, I try to delve into the historical and cultural background of the people who owned it (as far as I can), to get a 'feel' for it. My attributations are based on my findings.
By 'Malay', I mean the Austronesians who populated the Malay Archipelago for millenia and who at times 'cross-pollinated' with each other.
There's nothing wrong with your method/approach/analysis. I just have a slightly different approach. ( In keris terms ... I simply follow a different pakem.). Sorry.

Best,

kino · 19th June 2015, 02:18 PM

Amuk Murugul, you have a nice collection of swords. Thanks for sharing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

1. Name: Awang Semaoen

Classication: Kalis Siam Sikoe Walik BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade: LxOALxWxT=51.5x64x10.65x0.83cm.
Handle:Sari Manoek
Integrated Ngganja

I have a question about the descriptions, what does Awang mean? I noticed that 1-5 have Awang in their names. Also, the classification for #1, is Siam Sekoe, does Siam mean 9?
It's interesting that the descriptive on the handle is Sari Manoek, Spunjer had started a thread on his theory that Moro pommels that have been called kakatua's are believed to be the Sarimanok. Does the Bisaja's of Kalimantan refer to these hilts/pommels as Sari Manoek?
BTW, I wouldn't mind adding any of your kalis to my collection..

Amuk Murugul · 19th June 2015, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kino

Amuk Murugul, you have a nice collection of swords. Thanks for sharing.

I have a question about the descriptions, what does Awang mean? I noticed that 1-5 have Awang in their names. Also, the classification for #1, is Siam Sekoe, does Siam mean 9?
It's interesting that the descriptive on the handle is Sari Manoek, Spunjer had started a thread on his theory that Moro pommels that have been called kakatua's are believed to be the Sarimanok. Does the Bisaja's of Kalimantan refer to these hilts/pommels as Sari Manoek?
BTW, I wouldn't mind adding any of your kalis to my collection..

Hullo Kino,

'AWANG' is an ancient honorary title.
Yes, 'SIAM' does indeed mean '9'.
Depending on whether those you speak to have remained true to their ancient heritage or adopted other influences, yes, the term is 'SARIMANO(E)K', depending on accent etc.
'KAKATUA' is an ancient word meaning 'spiny-parrot'. (I don't believe that people 'in-the-know' would've coined that term, as cockatoos were not 'central' to their way of life. 'nuff said!

)

It is praise indeed should a fellow collector not mind having one of my pieces in his/her collection. Thanks!

Best,

18th June 2015, 07:02 AM	#5
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	CURIOS Hullo everybody! Enjoy! With ref. to 1st. photo: TOP Name: Matamata Bisaja Classification: Kalis Poelogsa Sikoe Naga Mahesa Garantang BISAJA Kalamantan Blade: LxOALxWxT=47x53x1.69x11.63cm. Handle: Sari Pralamba Note: 'square' tang cross-section BOTTOM Name: Djiwa Pahlawan Classification: Kalis Siam Sikoe Lini BISAJA Kalamantan Blade: LxOALxWxT=49x55x1.33x1.29cm. Handle: Sari Pralamba Note: interesting 'elephant's trunk' area Attached Images Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 18th June 2015 at 11:24 PM.

19th May 2015, 09:43 AM	#1
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	KALIS BISAYA Hullo everybody! Couldn't resist the opportunity to snap and post this lot. Here's the description for the first pic, from bottom to top: 1. Name: Awang Semaoen Classication: Kalis Siam Sikoe Walik BISAJA Kalamantan Blade: LxOALxWxT=51.5x64x10.65x0.83cm. Handle:Sari Manoek Integrated Ngganja 2. Name: Awang Al Akbar Tatar Classification: Kalis Poelogteloe Sikoe Naga Djaladara BISAJA Kalamantan Blade:LxOALxWxT=47.5x61x9.79x1.32cm. Handle: Sari Manoek 3. Name: Awang Koejoeh Classification: Kalis Siam Sikoe Naga Walik BISAJA Kalamantan Blade:LxOALxWxT=50x63x11.15x1.98cm. Handle:Sari Manoek Integrated Ngganja 4. Name: Panglima Awang Pahlawan Classification:Kalis Siam Sikoe Lini BISAJA Kalamantan Blade:LxOALxWxT=52.5x65x10.77x2.39cm. Handle:Sari Manoek 5. Name: Panglima Awang Silap Al Aboe Classification:Kalis Poelogsa Naga Mahesa Garantang BISAJA Kalamantan Blade:LxOALxWxT=61x75x11.3x1.75cm. Handle:Sari Manoek Attached Images

19th May 2015, 11:17 AM	#2
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	great condition for its age,cheers

20th May 2015, 05:42 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A NICE LOOKING LOT. IS SARI MANOEK THE NAME OF THE CRAFTSMAN MAKING THE HANDLES? IF SO HE HAS A INTERESTING AND ATTRACTIVE STYLE. A NICE RANGE OF BLADES AS WELL ARE THEY OLDER AND DO ANY HAVE PATTERENED BLADES.? THANKS FOR SHAREING.

20th May 2015, 10:34 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	It's a pommel style . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarimanok

18th June 2015, 08:05 AM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	Beautiful examples, thank you for sharing. Are there scabbards with them? Regards, Detlef

19th June 2015, 01:03 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Congratulations for saving these and many thanks for posting them. Great condition too!

19th June 2015, 01:21 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	We have one Kalis with a round tang in your last picture, and one with a flattened tang . Does this mean that one is Malay, and one Moro ? They both would appear to be Moro without seeing the tangs . Do we put another assumption to the test here; or have I forgotten something ?? It appears to me that the Malay/Moro line is becoming a bit blurred .