POWDER HORN AND MEAUSRE FOR IDENTIFICATION

BANDOOK · 5th May 2015, 09:14 AM

I BOUGHT THESE AT AUCTION FROM LONDON,HOLTS
SOLD AS NORTH AFRICAN POWDER HORN AND POWDER MEASURES
WOULD APPRECIATE WHICH AREAS THESE COME FROM,KIND REGARDS RAJESH

stelio · 5th May 2015, 09:47 AM

Hi Bandook
The powder measures is from balkan or ottoman empire area in 19 century.

BANDOOK · 5th May 2015, 10:51 AM

thanks stelio,its like yours,thanks for the information,cheers

Kubur · 5th May 2015, 11:30 AM

Hi Rajesh,

I confirm.
And your Powder flask is from Oman or Yemen.
For sure, South Arabia.

Best,
Kubur

BANDOOK · 5th May 2015, 11:51 AM

WOW,LIKE YOUR CONFIDENCE,THANKS KUBUR ,GOOD DAY

stelio · 5th May 2015, 12:42 PM

Kubur i would like on this occasion to tell me your opinion about the right type of gunpowder flask that had the ottoman warriors in 19th century.
Thank you.
Stelios

Kubur · 5th May 2015, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stelio

Kubur i would like on this occasion to tell me your opinion about the right type of gunpowder flask that had the ottoman warriors in 19th century.
Thank you.
Stelios

Dear Stelios,
I can't answer really to your question. Maybe other members would.
The Ottomans used the powder flasks available in their Empire. Some of them show strong Caucasian influences, others are related to North Africa...
For me the typical ottoman gunpowder flasks are the heart shape wooden ones and the others are the silver rococo style in crescent shape. They are really connected to Turkey and the Balkans. It's just my personal thoughts.
Best,
Kubur

Kubur · 5th May 2015, 01:28 PM

some photos

stelio · 5th May 2015, 02:24 PM

Thank you Kubur.
The same types i have in mind. I think the first type is the authentic ottoman type and the second type use in balkan area ,caucasus and other part of empire.( I think the second photo is a type from greece or from northern balkans.)
Best
Stelios

kahnjar1 · 7th May 2015, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rajesh,

I confirm.
And your Powder flask is from Oman or Yemen.
For sure, South Arabia.

Best,
Kubur

Hi Kubur,
I have 3 flasks of this shape and none have a hinged lid. Is this feature from a particular area......maybe Indo/Arab from southern India??
Stu

Kubur · 7th May 2015, 09:56 PM

Hi Stu
Could you post their photos?
Personaly I hate Indo Arab, I prefer Spanisho Chinese, It's more precise.

kahnjar1 · 8th May 2015, 06:07 AM

Hi Kubur,
Already posted here http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19761
but for your benefit here they are again.
Surely you are not serious about the term Indo/Arab

This means to collectors exactly what it says "cross cultural India Arabia".
You may prefer Spanisho Chinese but to me that means cross cultural Spanish Chinese which is NOT the origin of these.
Stu

rickystl · 9th May 2015, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Hi Kubur,
I have 3 flasks of this shape and none have a hinged lid. Is this feature from a particular area......maybe Indo/Arab from southern India??
Stu

Never seen one with a hinged lid. Hmmmm. Rick.

5th May 2015, 09:14 AM	#1
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	POWDER HORN AND MEAUSRE FOR IDENTIFICATION I BOUGHT THESE AT AUCTION FROM LONDON,HOLTS SOLD AS NORTH AFRICAN POWDER HORN AND POWDER MEASURES WOULD APPRECIATE WHICH AREAS THESE COME FROM,KIND REGARDS RAJESH Attached Images

5th May 2015, 09:47 AM	#2
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Hi Bandook The powder measures is from balkan or ottoman empire area in 19 century. Attached Images Last edited by stelio; 5th May 2015 at 10:46 AM.

5th May 2015, 01:28 PM	#8
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	some photos Attached Images

8th May 2015, 06:07 AM	#12
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Hi Kubur, Already posted here http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19761 but for your benefit here they are again. Surely you are not serious about the term Indo/Arab This means to collectors exactly what it says "cross cultural India Arabia". You may prefer Spanisho Chinese but to me that means cross cultural Spanish Chinese which is NOT the origin of these. Stu Attached Images

5th May 2015, 10:51 AM	#3
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	thanks stelio,its like yours,thanks for the information,cheers

5th May 2015, 11:30 AM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Rajesh, I confirm. And your Powder flask is from Oman or Yemen. For sure, South Arabia. Best, Kubur

5th May 2015, 11:51 AM	#5
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	WOW,LIKE YOUR CONFIDENCE,THANKS KUBUR ,GOOD DAY

5th May 2015, 12:42 PM	#6
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Kubur i would like on this occasion to tell me your opinion about the right type of gunpowder flask that had the ottoman warriors in 19th century. Thank you. Stelios

5th May 2015, 02:24 PM	#9
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Thank you Kubur. The same types i have in mind. I think the first type is the authentic ottoman type and the second type use in balkan area ,caucasus and other part of empire.( I think the second photo is a type from greece or from northern balkans.) Best Stelios

7th May 2015, 09:56 PM	#11
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Stu Could you post their photos? Personaly I hate Indo Arab, I prefer Spanisho Chinese, It's more precise.