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drac2k · 29th March 2015, 10:09 PM

This was one of the items that I found at the show.It has the aspects of a Nepalese kora, a ram dao as well as Indian influences. It was my pleasure to meet Charles at the show (as well as Rick), and he thought it could be an Indian or Ceylonese temple sword ;He said that the colors of the handle were indicative of the users, but he couldn't quite remember which ones.
The item measures approx. 20",the hand forged blade measures almost 2.25" at it's widest, almost 3/16" at the spine and still very sharp.
Any help towards the identification of this item would be appreciated.

ariel · 30th March 2015, 01:37 PM

Matchu. South Indian?

CharlesS · 30th March 2015, 03:17 PM

The handle colors remind me of ones that are typical to Sri Lanka/Ceylon, although considering the age wear to the blade vs. the hilt, they may have been repainted at some point in the piece's life.

kahnjar1 · 30th March 2015, 09:00 PM

This will help I think.
Tirri's book ISLAMIC WEAPONS MAGHRIB to MOGHUL....... shows this on page 339 and describes it as a MALABAR CHOPPER.
Stu

drac2k · 30th March 2015, 10:54 PM

Well, I am ashamed to admit that I don't have a copy of "Islamic Weapons Maghrib to Mogul," (I do have almost all of the Malibu and Valiant Universe comics, i.e. Magnus, Robot Fighter, Solar, etc.).
I think you are on the right track, even though I always thought of the Malabar choppers as being more stout and while the finial on the top of the sword as well as the blade are very similar as well as the designs, my sword is lighter and it comes to a crescent on the bottom .The handle is also unlike the ones shown, however mine could be a hybrid of different cultures.
There are definite strong comparable characteristics that indicate that you are most surely correct and it is from that region.
Thanks for your help !

kahnjar1 · 31st March 2015, 05:29 AM

OK here is the pic. Hope no copyright infringement but if so then Mods please remove.

drac2k · 31st March 2015, 02:16 PM

Wow, you nailed it, especially the third one, with the painted handle.I wonder if the colors have any significance, since they seem to be similar.Red, black and yellow;only the sequence is different
Thanks Again !

Ian · 31st March 2015, 05:23 PM

I agree that this is most likely southern Indian in origin, and the Malabar Coast area is a possibility. The Tirri picture shows three examples, and while I am familiar with the top one as definitely being a Moplah chopper from the Malabar coast (I have a very similar example that I purchased privately in Bangalore), the other two look more like sacrificial instruments rather than weapons to me and their origins are more widely distributed than the Malabar Coast. I would be cautious about attributing the original item of this thread to the Malabar Coast based solely on Tirri's description.

I also agree with Charles that a Ceylonese origin is possible.

Ian.

29th March 2015, 10:09 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Interesting Baltimore Show bringback This was one of the items that I found at the show.It has the aspects of a Nepalese kora, a ram dao as well as Indian influences. It was my pleasure to meet Charles at the show (as well as Rick), and he thought it could be an Indian or Ceylonese temple sword ;He said that the colors of the handle were indicative of the users, but he couldn't quite remember which ones. The item measures approx. 20",the hand forged blade measures almost 2.25" at it's widest, almost 3/16" at the spine and still very sharp. Any help towards the identification of this item would be appreciated. Attached Images

30th March 2015, 09:00 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	Malabar Chopper This will help I think. Tirri's book ISLAMIC WEAPONS MAGHRIB to MOGHUL....... shows this on page 339 and describes it as a MALABAR CHOPPER. Stu

31st March 2015, 05:29 AM	#6
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	OK here is the pic. Hope no copyright infringement but if so then Mods please remove. Attached Images

30th March 2015, 01:37 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Matchu. South Indian?

30th March 2015, 03:17 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	The handle colors remind me of ones that are typical to Sri Lanka/Ceylon, although considering the age wear to the blade vs. the hilt, they may have been repainted at some point in the piece's life.

30th March 2015, 10:54 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Well, I am ashamed to admit that I don't have a copy of "Islamic Weapons Maghrib to Mogul," (I do have almost all of the Malibu and Valiant Universe comics, i.e. Magnus, Robot Fighter, Solar, etc.). I think you are on the right track, even though I always thought of the Malabar choppers as being more stout and while the finial on the top of the sword as well as the blade are very similar as well as the designs, my sword is lighter and it comes to a crescent on the bottom .The handle is also unlike the ones shown, however mine could be a hybrid of different cultures. There are definite strong comparable characteristics that indicate that you are most surely correct and it is from that region. Thanks for your help !

31st March 2015, 02:16 PM	#7
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Wow, you nailed it, especially the third one, with the painted handle.I wonder if the colors have any significance, since they seem to be similar.Red, black and yellow;only the sequence is different Thanks Again !

31st March 2015, 05:23 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	I agree that this is most likely southern Indian in origin, and the Malabar Coast area is a possibility. The Tirri picture shows three examples, and while I am familiar with the top one as definitely being a Moplah chopper from the Malabar coast (I have a very similar example that I purchased privately in Bangalore), the other two look more like sacrificial instruments rather than weapons to me and their origins are more widely distributed than the Malabar Coast. I would be cautious about attributing the original item of this thread to the Malabar Coast based solely on Tirri's description. I also agree with Charles that a Ceylonese origin is possible. Ian.