Seeking help to identify a blade!

MeleeTiger · 7th November 2014, 07:07 PM

I went and took some new photos last night though still images be they with or without flash don't seem to catch it right as it's either too much light or too little where as the videos I've taken show the nickel like colour better than the photos do, sadly from what I understand it's not acceptable to post links to second party hosting sites for the sake of images going down.
The photo(s) without flash were able to catch the more silvery nature better than the ones with flash I find, though the high flash does still show it with bright reflection coming off the blade.
The wood used for the handle and scabbard core seems to have a red colour to it though the handle has some black paint or otherwise coating on it, I think the photos were able to catch it.

MeleeTiger · 14th November 2014, 04:44 AM

Found a site with images of "Sudan Knives" that had very similar markings and scabbard design, I know I'm not supposed to link to off site stuff so I screen caped and pasted the images together instead to attach it here.
Edit: Don't know why the image I mentioned above didn't show, but it should now.

Shakethetrees · 14th November 2014, 02:07 PM

I think the grip is throwing everyone off.

The blade tang does not appear to have been ever peened over to permanently lock everything together. It extends a good bit past where it should be.

I believe the blade and scabbard began life together, but the grip is from something else. This marriage might have been consummated fifty years ago in a souk or an antique shop. It was a marriage of convenience!

spiral · 14th November 2014, 02:19 PM

As I said earlier , to me it looks like the sort of thing that had a baby crocodile as a hilt, Or sometimes a leg...

spiral

MeleeTiger · 14th November 2014, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakethetrees

I think the grip is throwing everyone off.

The blade tang does not appear to have been ever peened over to permanently lock everything together. It extends a good bit past where it should be.

I believe the blade and scabbard began life together, but the grip is from something else. This marriage might have been consummated fifty years ago in a souk or an antique shop. It was a marriage of convenience!

Indeed, I never really put much faith in the grip but that's what it came with so I included it in the photos especially since it seemed to be made of the same wood as the scabbard core beneath the crocodile hide.

Gavin Nugent · 15th November 2014, 12:48 AM

With the tang length seen protruding past the pommel area and given the base of the hilt shape I wonder if the pommel once looked like this one below but also with the added pommel spike.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=rhino+sudan

I suggest this because I also have a short sword length example with a Rhino horn hilt and similar markings but with the pommel spike/protrusion as seen on other types.

Gavin

7th November 2014, 07:07 PM	#1
MeleeTiger Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	I went and took some new photos last night though still images be they with or without flash don't seem to catch it right as it's either too much light or too little where as the videos I've taken show the nickel like colour better than the photos do, sadly from what I understand it's not acceptable to post links to second party hosting sites for the sake of images going down. The photo(s) without flash were able to catch the more silvery nature better than the ones with flash I find, though the high flash does still show it with bright reflection coming off the blade. The wood used for the handle and scabbard core seems to have a red colour to it though the handle has some black paint or otherwise coating on it, I think the photos were able to catch it. Attached Images

14th November 2014, 04:44 AM	#2
MeleeTiger Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	Found a site with images of "Sudan Knives" that had very similar markings and scabbard design, I know I'm not supposed to link to off site stuff so I screen caped and pasted the images together instead to attach it here. Edit: Don't know why the image I mentioned above didn't show, but it should now. Attached Images Last edited by MeleeTiger; 14th November 2014 at 11:11 PM.

14th November 2014, 02:07 PM	#3
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	I think the grip is throwing everyone off. The blade tang does not appear to have been ever peened over to permanently lock everything together. It extends a good bit past where it should be. I believe the blade and scabbard began life together, but the grip is from something else. This marriage might have been consummated fifty years ago in a souk or an antique shop. It was a marriage of convenience!

14th November 2014, 02:19 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	As I said earlier , to me it looks like the sort of thing that had a baby crocodile as a hilt, Or sometimes a leg... spiral

15th November 2014, 12:48 AM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	With the tang length seen protruding past the pommel area and given the base of the hilt shape I wonder if the pommel once looked like this one below but also with the added pommel spike. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=rhino+sudan I suggest this because I also have a short sword length example with a Rhino horn hilt and similar markings but with the pommel spike/protrusion as seen on other types. Gavin