Weird kris sold by ebay

Sajen · 4th May 2014, 02:13 PM

This weird kris was recently sold by ebay, relative small, 20 inch overall with a blade from 13 inch. The piece seems to have age.
Would be interested what others think about this kris. Origin? Age?

Detlef

CharlesS · 4th May 2014, 06:09 PM

I saw this too, and wondered about this strange thing. Some effort went into its construction and it looks to have seen considerable use. My immediate thought was that it was a tourist piece. Now I am not as sure, though it still lacks many of the Moro asethetics we find so attractive.

I am eager to see what some other forumites think.

Sajen · 4th May 2014, 06:54 PM

Hello Charles,

my first thought as well but when I looked again to this dagger I have been sure that it was in use. But still a real weird dagger IMHO.

Regards,
Detlef

trenchwarfare · 5th May 2014, 03:37 AM

I am very leery of Ebay these days. I did a "dagger" search a while back. Found a neat little knife, that looked like a WWII theater made dagger. Heavy patina, and lots of rust. Then I found another, and another. All using the same photo, but different sellers in India. It was bad enough when the Chinese started making "antiques". Now the Indians? I'm not saying that's what this but... There are many swords, daggers, and bayonets being made in China, that kinda-sorta look like historical pieces, but are off in many respects. And they look old, and well used. This knife looks like a cross between a Kris, a Gonong, and a Barong.

Sajen · 5th May 2014, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

I am very leery of Ebay these days. I did a "dagger" search a while back. Found a neat little knife, that looked like a WWII theater made dagger. Heavy patina, and lots of rust. Then I found another, and another. All using the same photo, but different sellers in India. It was bad enough when the Chinese started making "antiques". Now the Indians? I'm not saying that's what this but... There are many swords, daggers, and bayonets being made in China, that kinda-sorta look like historical pieces, but are off in many respects. And they look old, and well used. This knife looks like a cross between a Kris, a Gonong, and a Barong.

I am aware of this but in this case the seller was from the States.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-ASIAN-ST...#ht_665wt_1153

kronckew · 5th May 2014, 11:46 AM

somebody put the grip on upside down.

Sajen · 5th May 2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

somebody put the grip on upside down.

Handle is attached in the correct way IMHO!?

VANDOO · 5th May 2014, 05:24 PM

I THINK THIS WAS MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES AND SAW LOCAL USE, BUT WAS NOT NECESSARILY MORO MADE. MY GRANDFATHERS, UNCLES AND DAD ALL MADE THEIR OWN KNIVES OFTEN BASED ON WHAT THEY HAD SEEN. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON THE WORLD OVER FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE A DO IT YOURSELF KNIFE AND SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE QUITE GOOD. IF GOOD ENOUGH THEY MAY MAKE SEVERAL FOR OTHERS OR SELL A FEW. I THINK YOUR KNIFE MAY FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY AND THE PRICE WAS RIGHT.

THE BLADE AND FILE WORK WAS SOMEONES INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A MORO KRIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND IS NICELY DONE BUT IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE NORM. THE HANDLE AND SCABBARD IS MADE FOR USE AND NOTHING FANCY. IT COULD BE MORO MADE OR MADE IN LUZON OR EVEN MADE BY AN OUTSIDER DURING THE WAR. PERHAPS ONE OF A KIND OR THE MAKER MAY HAVE MADE MORE TO SELL?? EITHER WAY I LIKE IT.

A ETCH OF THE BLADE OR FORGEING FLAWS CAN TELL YOU IF IT WAS FOLDED AND FORGED OR MADE FROM MONO STEEL. MOST SELF MADE KNIVES FROM WW2 AND BEFORE ARE SHAPED FROM MONO STEEL. IF ITS A GOOD WATERED STEEL BLADE ITS LIKELY A PROFESSIONAL MADE THE BLADE.

Sajen · 5th May 2014, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

I THINK THIS WAS MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES AND SAW LOCAL USE, BUT WAS NOT NECESSARILY MORO MADE. MY GRANDFATHERS, UNCLES AND DAD ALL MADE THEIR OWN KNIVES OFTEN BASED ON WHAT THEY HAD SEEN. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON THE WORLD OVER FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE A DO IT YOURSELF KNIFE AND SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE QUITE GOOD. IF GOOD ENOUGH THEY MAY MAKE SEVERAL FOR OTHERS OR SELL A FEW. I THINK YOUR KNIFE MAY FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY AND THE PRICE WAS RIGHT.

THE BLADE AND FILE WORK WAS SOMEONES INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A MORO KRIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND IS NICELY DONE BUT IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE NORM. THE HANDLE AND SCABBARD IS MADE FOR USE AND NOTHING FANCY. IT COULD BE MORO MADE OR MADE IN LUZON OR EVEN MADE BY AN OUTSIDER DURING THE WAR. PERHAPS ONE OF A KIND OR THE MAKER MAY HAVE MADE MORE TO SELL?? EITHER WAY I LIKE IT.

A ETCH OF THE BLADE OR FORGEING FLAWS CAN TELL YOU IF IT WAS FOLDED AND FORGED OR MADE FROM MONO STEEL. MOST SELF MADE KNIVES FROM WW2 AND BEFORE ARE SHAPED FROM MONO STEEL. IF ITS A GOOD WATERED STEEL BLADE ITS LIKELY A PROFESSIONAL MADE THE BLADE.

Hello Barry,

thank you for comment. Your thoughts about this piece are similar as mine.
But I haven't bought this piece, maybe someone else from the forum?

Regards,
Detlef

4th May 2014, 02:13 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Weird kris sold by ebay This weird kris was recently sold by ebay, relative small, 20 inch overall with a blade from 13 inch. The piece seems to have age. Would be interested what others think about this kris. Origin? Age? Detlef Attached Images

4th May 2014, 06:09 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	I saw this too, and wondered about this strange thing. Some effort went into its construction and it looks to have seen considerable use. My immediate thought was that it was a tourist piece. Now I am not as sure, though it still lacks many of the Moro asethetics we find so attractive. I am eager to see what some other forumites think. Last edited by CharlesS; 4th May 2014 at 06:31 PM.

4th May 2014, 06:54 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Charles, my first thought as well but when I looked again to this dagger I have been sure that it was in use. But still a real weird dagger IMHO. Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 4th May 2014 at 10:21 PM.

5th May 2014, 03:37 AM	#4
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	I am very leery of Ebay these days. I did a "dagger" search a while back. Found a neat little knife, that looked like a WWII theater made dagger. Heavy patina, and lots of rust. Then I found another, and another. All using the same photo, but different sellers in India. It was bad enough when the Chinese started making "antiques". Now the Indians? I'm not saying that's what this but... There are many swords, daggers, and bayonets being made in China, that kinda-sorta look like historical pieces, but are off in many respects. And they look old, and well used. This knife looks like a cross between a Kris, a Gonong, and a Barong.

5th May 2014, 11:46 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	somebody put the grip on upside down.

5th May 2014, 05:24 PM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I THINK THIS WAS MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES AND SAW LOCAL USE, BUT WAS NOT NECESSARILY MORO MADE. MY GRANDFATHERS, UNCLES AND DAD ALL MADE THEIR OWN KNIVES OFTEN BASED ON WHAT THEY HAD SEEN. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON THE WORLD OVER FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE A DO IT YOURSELF KNIFE AND SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE QUITE GOOD. IF GOOD ENOUGH THEY MAY MAKE SEVERAL FOR OTHERS OR SELL A FEW. I THINK YOUR KNIFE MAY FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY AND THE PRICE WAS RIGHT. THE BLADE AND FILE WORK WAS SOMEONES INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A MORO KRIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND IS NICELY DONE BUT IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE NORM. THE HANDLE AND SCABBARD IS MADE FOR USE AND NOTHING FANCY. IT COULD BE MORO MADE OR MADE IN LUZON OR EVEN MADE BY AN OUTSIDER DURING THE WAR. PERHAPS ONE OF A KIND OR THE MAKER MAY HAVE MADE MORE TO SELL?? EITHER WAY I LIKE IT. A ETCH OF THE BLADE OR FORGEING FLAWS CAN TELL YOU IF IT WAS FOLDED AND FORGED OR MADE FROM MONO STEEL. MOST SELF MADE KNIVES FROM WW2 AND BEFORE ARE SHAPED FROM MONO STEEL. IF ITS A GOOD WATERED STEEL BLADE ITS LIKELY A PROFESSIONAL MADE THE BLADE.