Three Weapons that are unknown to me.

[Terry K]

Hi all,
An older gentleman came into a gunshow I was set up at and brought these in for ID. Being I have messed with edged weapons for 40 + years I ended up looking at them for him and correcting him on one. He said his long gone uncle was a geologist for an oil company 40-50 years ago. He said they were all from S. America. I told him that one was a Keris from the island but did not know what the others werre for sure. Here are some bad pictures of them. 1st two. Any help would be appreciated.

Terry

[erikscollectables]

Looks like a nice Madura keris with typical ivory handle (donoriko type)

[David]

Hi Terry. Welcome to the forum. And you are right, those are pretty bad pictures.
Better photos and, of course, photos of the blade are really essential for any kind of accurate identification. What i can tell you is that the dress for this keris (the hilt and sheath) are from the island of Madura. The hilt looks like it is probably ivory (though bone is possible) in a form known as "Donoriko". You will find other examples of this style along with many others on this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ura+keris+hilt.
The sheath is the Madurese form of a "Ladrang" style which is what is used for formal wear.
Other than that there is not much that can be told. There seems to be a bit of wear and i could hazard a guess at late 19th to early 20th century, but that is just a guess based on bad photos and no look at the blade.

[David]

I see Erik was being much more succinct while i was typing.

[Terry K]

Thanks everyone! here are some more

[David]

Well, your new photos pretty much confirm for me that this hilt is ivory and very nicely carved. All other previous comments still stand. If you still have access to this keris it would be very helpful to see images of the blade. No matter how ornate aspects of dress might be in some cases it is the blade that is at the heart of any keris ensemble.

[erikscollectables]

Originally Posted by David

I see Erik was being much more succinct while i was typing.

[Terry K]

I will be going back to the gun show this week end and hope the man comes back in but there is no guarantee. Here are some pics of the others. Thanks for the comments.

[David]

Terry, i cleared your post without seeing the photos you attached. We keep three different forums going here, the keris forum where we only discuss keris related subjects, the European Forum for items from that region and the main ethnographic forum where this last blade belongs. Please post it there if you want commentary. Thanks.

[Terry K]

Sorry about that David, my bad.

[Terry K]

Here are the last. I hope I got them on the correct forum. Sorry about the pics. They were taken fast at my table.

[David]

Terry, this one isn't pertinent to keris either and should be given its own thread in the regular Ethno Forum for response.

[Bugis Keris]

This kris have a magic.
I see from the kris pamor.
when you own it.be carefull. firstly must knowing more about this kris.all about this kris i mean start from pamor,created,etc

Thank YOu

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Bugis Keris

This kris have a magic.
I see from the kris pamor.
when you own it.be carefull. firstly must knowing more about this kris.all about this kris i mean start from pamor,created,etc

Thank YOu

Hello Bugis Keris,
I assume that you are referring to the Madurese kris from Terry shown on the first pictures? Are you able to determine that a blade or pamor has magical powers without even seeing it? Please tell us how do you determine it because we all dream to have this capability!
Regards

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Bugis Keris

This kris have a magic.
I see from the kris pamor.
when you own it.be carefull. firstly must knowing more about this kris.all about this kris i mean start from pamor,created,etc

Thank YOu

[David]

[Terry K]

Hi All,

Just an update. I told the man that deals with the older gentleman that owned these blades at last months gun show but have not heard anything.

Thank you,

Terry