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Gavin Nugent · 1st September 2013, 01:01 PM

I have a question that perhaps Albert himself can offer insight in to or those more learned in Keris than I.

Page 64, figure 205, a Keris Panjang from the Williem Van Der Post's collection seen in Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago.

Are other type of this Panjang known? I ask as the hilt appears to be that of a Jono from Batak Sumarta. Is this a Panjang specific to the regions of Batak?

Gavin

Sajen · 1st September 2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

I have a question that perhaps Albert himself can offer insight in to or those more learned in Keris than I.

Page 64, figure 205, a Keris Panjang for the collection of Williem Van Der Post's collection seen in Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago.

Are other type of this Panjang known? I ask as the hilt appears to be that of a Jono from Batak Sumarta. Is this a Panjang specific to the regions of Batak?

Gavin

Hello Gavin,

the Batak normally don't have had keris. The hilt form seems to be a planar tapak kuda form. Look also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=tapak+kuda

Regards,

Detlef

Gavin Nugent · 1st September 2013, 03:08 PM

Thank you for reply Detlef.

I had viewed this link closely when searching through Sumatran Keris hilts but I did not find what I am looking for...the Keris hilt in Zonneveld also seems to be four or six sided with silver wrapping rather than a cup...quite a mystery...I hope this develops further.

Gavin

VVV · 2nd September 2013, 08:18 PM

I agree with Gavin that the hilt and cup of Willem's keris seems to have traits of Karo Batak influence.
As a reference, check the Krisdisk of Sejr-Jensen 9,3:16.

Michael

Gavin Nugent · 3rd September 2013, 09:33 AM

Michael, thank you for posting.

I am not versed in this reference and will endevour to obtain a copy for future reference.
If you find the time, could you photograph the reference from your computer screen when running the disk?

Gavin

VVV · 3rd September 2013, 10:06 AM

Gavin, this CD is a must if you are interested in keris from all over the archipelago (and not only Java).
Here is copy of the page I was referring to.

Michael

Gavin Nugent · 3rd September 2013, 11:20 AM

Hi Michael,

I have taken an interest in Malay and Sumatran Keris over the last 24th months or so and continue to learn as we all do...I like the unusual ones like that presented in Zonneveld and the collection is growing nicely.

I will obtain a copy of the CD and the screen shot is very helpful, thank you.

Gavin

1st September 2013, 01:01 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Zonneveld image I have a question that perhaps Albert himself can offer insight in to or those more learned in Keris than I. Page 64, figure 205, a Keris Panjang from the Williem Van Der Post's collection seen in Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago. Are other type of this Panjang known? I ask as the hilt appears to be that of a Jono from Batak Sumarta. Is this a Panjang specific to the regions of Batak? Gavin Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 1st September 2013 at 08:44 PM.

3rd September 2013, 09:33 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Michael, thank you for posting. I am not versed in this reference and will endevour to obtain a copy for future reference. If you find the time, could you photograph the reference from your computer screen when running the disk? Gavin Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 3rd September 2013 at 10:19 AM.

1st September 2013, 03:08 PM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you for reply Detlef. I had viewed this link closely when searching through Sumatran Keris hilts but I did not find what I am looking for...the Keris hilt in Zonneveld also seems to be four or six sided with silver wrapping rather than a cup...quite a mystery...I hope this develops further. Gavin

2nd September 2013, 08:18 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I agree with Gavin that the hilt and cup of Willem's keris seems to have traits of Karo Batak influence. As a reference, check the Krisdisk of Sejr-Jensen 9,3:16. Michael

3rd September 2013, 11:20 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hi Michael, I have taken an interest in Malay and Sumatran Keris over the last 24th months or so and continue to learn as we all do...I like the unusual ones like that presented in Zonneveld and the collection is growing nicely. I will obtain a copy of the CD and the screen shot is very helpful, thank you. Gavin