FLINTLOCK GUN WITH CHRISTIAN 7 MARK FOR ID

Cerjak · 18th March 2012, 07:58 PM

Here some pics from Danish Gun and pistol .
The pistol had been already post and I have understood that it was a Danish mod 1772 but for the gun I still don't know the exact model.
On the barrel there is one C7 and VB mark.
The stock is in perfect condition made in a very heavy and hard wood,there is some marks on in but very hard to read one n°7 and ???
Any comment on it will be welcome

Cerjak

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Cerjak · 25th April 2012, 06:07 PM

still don't know the exact model

Matchlock · 25th April 2012, 06:41 PM

I do not know the exact model either but both stocks are clearly of beechwood, which was the characteristic type of wood used for Central and North European military guns from the 17th to the 19th c.

Best,
Michael

Cerjak · 26th April 2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

I do not know the exact model either but both stocks are clearly of beechwood, which was the characteristic type of wood used for Central and North European military guns from the 17th to the 19th c.

Best,
Michael

Yes Michael it is beechwood and with this wood as you can see the stock could cross 2 more centuries without any problem

Regards

Cerjak

Matchlock · 26th April 2012, 09:32 PM

Hi Cerjak,

Almost all of my 17th c. matchlock and wheellock muskets are stocked in beechwood, and they all have been fine for 400 years - give or take a worm hole or two!

Best,
Michael

ashoka · 26th April 2012, 11:18 PM

....... wow!

Matchlock · 26th April 2012, 11:44 PM

Thanks!

Though just one single aspect of more than 35 years of closest possible 'academic' collecting confined to earliest Northern European 'Military' firearms and related accouterments.

In case you are interested in seeing more, please check out my threads.

m

Matchlock · 30th April 2012, 04:23 PM

Hi Cerjak,

I think I finally found what you were looking for: the Tojhusmuseet Copenhagen indentifies your Christian 7 flintlock musket as the Danish model m. 1774, no. 569, the third from the top in my scans.
It seems to be the very first Danish model to feature four ramrod pipes.

I knew it was somewhere in my library, and the scans are taken from Claude Blair, European and American Arms, 1962 and still on top!

You were pretty close in guessing the correct year of this model so.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 30th April 2012, 04:37 PM

Btw, could we please see a close-up of your m. 1774 musket, with the cock in the safety-catch position and the frizzen covering the pan?
It seems to me that even the amber-colored flint, together with its lead lining, might originally belong! The flint appears to have been fired a bit blunt, which is often the case with such genuine old-time accouterments.

m

Cerjak · 2nd May 2012, 08:58 PM

Dear Michael,

Again thank you for your precious help and those scans from this book showing the caliber and sizes from the different danish models.
So according to "Claude Blair, European and American Arms" it is a M1794 (1440 mm and caliber 17.7mm an) could you tell me witch one it is in this scan .
But from http://norskevaapen.no/?p=551 the m1794 dont have the same triggergard so I still have a problem !
I hope that the photos I will add are the close-up you was expecting.
Kind regards

Cerjak

Matchlock · 2nd May 2012, 09:19 PM

Thank you, Cerjak,

For the additional images and information. The flint may be the original - what do you think?

It is a pity that 18th c. military guns are too late a subject for me to be really good at; thus I did not notice the differences in the trigger guards. From my former experiences with Austrian and Bavarian 18th c. flintlock muskets though (which was some 30 years ago) I learned that minor differences, such as a 'modernized' trigger guard on an earlier model, seem to have been quite normal with arsenal arms. Basic criteria, like the shape of the lock, are essential.

In Blair's scans attached below, you can see both models 1774 (top) and 1794.

Best,
m

Cerjak · 4th May 2012, 07:05 PM

Thank you Michael

difficult to see a difference between this two model !
I will try to buy this book..
Like you I think that it may be the original flint.
Regards

Cerjak

Matchlock · 4th May 2012, 10:09 PM

The buttstock of the m. 1774 is a bit shorter and the trigger guard of the m. 1794 a bit smaller but the diffferences are minor indeed.

The book, among others, is available at amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/European-Ameri.../dp/B0006CLEOI

Best,
m

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Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	FLINTLOCK GUN WITH CHRISTIAN 7 MARK FOR ID Here some pics from Danish Gun and pistol . The pistol had been already post and I have understood that it was a Danish mod 1772 but for the gun I still don't know the exact model. On the barrel there is one C7 and VB mark. The stock is in perfect condition made in a very heavy and hard wood,there is some marks on in but very hard to read one n°7 and ??? Any comment on it will be welcome Cerjak Attached Images

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Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I do not know the exact model either but both stocks are clearly of beechwood, which was the characteristic type of wood used for Central and North European military guns from the 17th to the 19th c. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 25th April 2012 at 07:04 PM.

26th April 2012, 09:32 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cerjak, Almost all of my 17th c. matchlock and wheellock muskets are stocked in beechwood, and they all have been fine for 400 years - give or take a worm hole or two! Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 26th April 2012 at 10:54 PM.

26th April 2012, 11:18 PM	#8
ashoka Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	....... wow!

26th April 2012, 11:44 PM	#9
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thanks! Though just one single aspect of more than 35 years of closest possible 'academic' collecting confined to earliest Northern European 'Military' firearms and related accouterments. In case you are interested in seeing more, please check out my threads. m

30th April 2012, 04:23 PM	#10
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cerjak, I think I finally found what you were looking for: the Tojhusmuseet Copenhagen indentifies your Christian 7 flintlock musket as the Danish model m. 1774, no. 569, the third from the top in my scans. It seems to be the very first Danish model to feature four ramrod pipes. I knew it was somewhere in my library, and the scans are taken from Claude Blair, European and American Arms, 1962 and still on top! You were pretty close in guessing the correct year of this model so. Best, Michael Attached Images

30th April 2012, 04:37 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Btw, could we please see a close-up of your m. 1774 musket, with the cock in the safety-catch position and the frizzen covering the pan? It seems to me that even the amber-colored flint, together with its lead lining, might originally belong! The flint appears to have been fired a bit blunt, which is often the case with such genuine old-time accouterments. m Last edited by Matchlock; 30th April 2012 at 05:03 PM.

2nd May 2012, 08:58 PM	#12
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	m1794 Dear Michael, Again thank you for your precious help and those scans from this book showing the caliber and sizes from the different danish models. So according to "Claude Blair, European and American Arms" it is a M1794 (1440 mm and caliber 17.7mm an) could you tell me witch one it is in this scan . But from http://norskevaapen.no/?p=551 the m1794 dont have the same triggergard so I still have a problem ! I hope that the photos I will add are the close-up you was expecting. Kind regards Cerjak Attached Images

2nd May 2012, 09:19 PM	#13
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you, Cerjak, For the additional images and information. The flint may be the original - what do you think? It is a pity that 18th c. military guns are too late a subject for me to be really good at; thus I did not notice the differences in the trigger guards. From my former experiences with Austrian and Bavarian 18th c. flintlock muskets though (which was some 30 years ago) I learned that minor differences, such as a 'modernized' trigger guard on an earlier model, seem to have been quite normal with arsenal arms. Basic criteria, like the shape of the lock, are essential. In Blair's scans attached below, you can see both models 1774 (top) and 1794. Best, m Attached Images

4th May 2012, 07:05 PM	#14
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Thank you Thank you Michael difficult to see a difference between this two model ! I will try to buy this book.. Like you I think that it may be the original flint. Regards Cerjak

4th May 2012, 10:09 PM	#15
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The buttstock of the m. 1774 is a bit shorter and the trigger guard of the m. 1794 a bit smaller but the diffferences are minor indeed. The book, among others, is available at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/European-Ameri.../dp/B0006CLEOI Best, m