Bugis or Sunda?

Sajen · 5th April 2012, 10:11 PM

Hello members,

what did I just buy? Is it a Sunda golok pandjang sintoeng or a Bugis klewang? http://www.ebay.com/itm/140732548697...84.m1439.l2649
Handle is so far I can see not from wood but from horn.
All comments are welcome,

Detlef

Amuk Murugul · 5th April 2012, 11:19 PM

Hullo everybody,

To me, it looks more a pedang than a golok. For instance, the handle is too impractical for a golok . If it were indeed Soenda, then the handle would normally be buffalo horn including its natural hollow. (The construction of the scabbard would've helped in the identification somewhat.

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As deciding whether an item is a golok or a pedang can be quite a subjective thing, it can be difficult without actually handling the item.
At this stage, I'd venture it to be a Pedang Abet Sintoeng.

Best,

Sajen · 5th April 2012, 11:52 PM

Hello Amuk,

thank you for comment. Sadly there is no scabbard but the handle is hollow, look picture 5. The sword is around 57 cm long with a blade from 42,5 cm.

Regards,

Detlef

Amuk Murugul · 6th April 2012, 12:37 AM

Hullo Sajen,

Thanks, I did see the hollow. I was merely making an assertion.

The length is OK for both a golok pandjang or a pedang.
Is the blade laminated in stripes?

Best,

Sajen · 6th April 2012, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo Sajen,

Thanks, I did see the hollow. I was merely making an assertion.

The length is OK for both a golok pandjang or a pedang.
Is the blade laminated in stripes?

Best,

Hello Amuk,

don't see/know more as you since I just win it by ebay and haven't received it yet. Do you think that it is Sunda in origin?

Best regards,

Detlef

Maurice · 26th July 2013, 11:56 AM

Hi Detlef,

Just stumbled upon this thread and somehow I missed it before.
To give an answer to your question, it is indeed Sundanese.
I think the best thing to call this is a "gobang" for now, as there is no other name for it found in old articles nor museumcollections.

Maurice

Sajen · 26th July 2013, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Detlef,

Just stumbled upon this thread and somehow I missed it before.
To give an answer to your question, it is indeed Sundanese.
I think the best thing to call this is a "gobang" for now, as there is no other name for it found in old articles nor museumcollections.

Maurice

Hi Maurice,

thank you but the gobang is sold already some time ago. Hope to get a better and complete one.

Regards,

Detlef

Maurice · 26th July 2013, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

thank you but the gobang is sold already some time ago. Hope to get a better and complete one.

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Yes that is the way it goes in private collections.
not complete, but very old of age...

Ps.you do have a very fine and complete one... ;-)

Maurice

Sajen · 26th July 2013, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Detlef,

Yes that is the way it goes in private collections.
not complete, but very old of age...

Ps.you do have a very fine and complete one... ;-)

Maurice

Hi Maurice,

yes, it is very old but I can't get a real "feeling" to it, so it was sold.

Still think that the "very fine and complete one" is from Sulawesi.

Regards,

Detlef

Maurice · 26th July 2013, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

yes, it is very old but I can't get a real "feeling" to it, so it was sold.

Still think that the "very fine and complete one" is from Sulawesi.

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

:-) I still think otherwise...

Maurice

5th April 2012, 10:11 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Bugis or Sunda? Hello members, what did I just buy? Is it a Sunda golok pandjang sintoeng or a Bugis klewang? http://www.ebay.com/itm/140732548697...84.m1439.l2649 Handle is so far I can see not from wood but from horn. All comments are welcome, Detlef Attached Images

5th April 2012, 11:19 PM	#2
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo everybody, To me, it looks more a pedang than a golok. For instance, the handle is too impractical for a golok . If it were indeed Soenda, then the handle would normally be buffalo horn including its natural hollow. (The construction of the scabbard would've helped in the identification somewhat.) As deciding whether an item is a golok or a pedang can be quite a subjective thing, it can be difficult without actually handling the item. At this stage, I'd venture it to be a Pedang Abet Sintoeng. Best,

6th April 2012, 12:37 AM	#4
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo Sajen, Thanks, I did see the hollow. I was merely making an assertion.The length is OK for both a golok pandjang or a pedang. Is the blade laminated in stripes? Best,

5th April 2012, 11:52 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Hello Amuk, thank you for comment. Sadly there is no scabbard but the handle is hollow, look picture 5. The sword is around 57 cm long with a blade from 42,5 cm. Regards, Detlef

26th July 2013, 11:56 AM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,334	Hi Detlef, Just stumbled upon this thread and somehow I missed it before. To give an answer to your question, it is indeed Sundanese. I think the best thing to call this is a "gobang" for now, as there is no other name for it found in old articles nor museumcollections. Maurice