A Kampilan blade - from where? - Page 2

tom hyle · 19th March 2011, 01:16 AM

Can we get a report on cross-section, thickness (especially at tip), and edge geometry on the mystery blade, BTW; I was gonna bid but had to buy a phone charger instead (despite mine being brand new;" /untranslated chinese/ high-tech alliance crap!") but frankly felt that the gamble factor was is it from Irian Jaya?

I didn't want to spoil the mood for you, and since you have it in hand, I take it you'd have mentioned if it were egregiously unweaponly?

Nirghosa · 19th March 2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Most of the time I just use a seal. However, I have stained it with walnut before, which looks like the area between the inner and outer parts of the narra tree, or a truly aged piece of inner narra wood.

Very useful insight, thanks!

I've mostly made my handles in a representative style (since they're just my trainers anyway). But as I've begun to get more competent with the solid handles(vs slabs) I've wanted to make them more accurate.

harimauhk · 23rd March 2011, 05:05 AM

I found this thread when looking for info on the Illanun of Borneo and their kampilans.

I'll be in Malaysian Borneo later this year and I'm hoping to acquire modern-made blades from a number of tribes there.

As far as brass/bronze being talismanic: even some of the Christians of Southern Luzon believe brass blades offer protection. Some believe a brass dagger will protect against aswang.

KuKulzA28 · 23rd March 2011, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by harimauhk

I found this thread when looking for info on the Illanun of Borneo and their kampilans.

I'll be in Malaysian Borneo later this year and I'm hoping to acquire modern-made blades from a number of tribes there.

Good luck with your mission! I look forward to what you find.

harimauhk · 23rd March 2011, 05:12 AM

Thanks Kuk! I only have five days there, so I'm going to focus on the coastal areas of Sabah this time. It's going to be an exciting year. Southern Thailand, Mindanao and West Java are all definites!

Battara · 23rd March 2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by harimauhk

I found this thread when looking for info on the Illanun of Borneo and their kampilans.

I'll be in Malaysian Borneo later this year and I'm hoping to acquire modern-made blades from a number of tribes there.

As far as brass/bronze being talismanic: even some of the Christians of Southern Luzon believe brass blades offer protection. Some believe a brass dagger will protect against aswang.

I think spunger had a Katipunan dagger that had a brass blade. We wondered it it was ceremonial or talismanic.

Bring back what you find.(and bring back lots of presents)

harimauhk · 30th March 2011, 06:52 AM

I'll see what I can do

Robert · 30th March 2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by harimauhk

As far as brass/bronze being talismanic: even some of the Christians of Southern Luzon believe brass blades offer protection. Some believe a brass dagger will protect against aswang.

Harimauhk,
Here a a few examples of brass and copper bladed daggers that I believe are from Luzon. If the ones with brass blades are meant for protection, are the copper bladed ones meant for a more nefarious purpose as I have heard?

Robert

ThePepperSkull · 31st March 2011, 06:16 AM

Is there any validity to the metal inlays being able to cause harm to said evil spirits? ('Validity' in terms of intent of purpose in the culture, of course, and not actual ghost-busting

). As I was told, it was the case that steel or iron would not harm an evil spirit and would simply go though it, but brass or copper or bronze would harm one as badly as a blade would harm the living.

I'm not sure how valid a statement that was, though. this was information passed onto me anecdotally via a relative and not though any sort of quotable/referencable text. Are there any cultures that beleve these metals inlaid in a blade can not only ward off evil spirits, but actually cause them harm if used in defense?

harimauhk · 1st April 2011, 03:11 PM

Since brass contains copper, the copper-colored blades may just be brass with more copper than usual.

Pep: Some brass has to be better than none.

That's the first I've heard of the blades actually being used to COMBAT spirits. I thought just having them around was enough.

19th March 2011, 01:16 AM	#31
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Can we get a report on cross-section, thickness (especially at tip), and edge geometry on the mystery blade, BTW; I was gonna bid but had to buy a phone charger instead (despite mine being brand new;" /untranslated chinese/ high-tech alliance crap!") but frankly felt that the gamble factor was is it from Irian Jaya? I didn't want to spoil the mood for you, and since you have it in hand, I take it you'd have mentioned if it were egregiously unweaponly?

23rd March 2011, 05:05 AM	#33
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	I found this thread when looking for info on the Illanun of Borneo and their kampilans. I'll be in Malaysian Borneo later this year and I'm hoping to acquire modern-made blades from a number of tribes there. As far as brass/bronze being talismanic: even some of the Christians of Southern Luzon believe brass blades offer protection. Some believe a brass dagger will protect against aswang.

23rd March 2011, 05:12 AM	#35
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	Thanks Kuk! I only have five days there, so I'm going to focus on the coastal areas of Sabah this time. It's going to be an exciting year. Southern Thailand, Mindanao and West Java are all definites!

30th March 2011, 06:52 AM	#37
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	I'll see what I can do

31st March 2011, 06:16 AM	#39
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Is there any validity to the metal inlays being able to cause harm to said evil spirits? ('Validity' in terms of intent of purpose in the culture, of course, and not actual ghost-busting ). As I was told, it was the case that steel or iron would not harm an evil spirit and would simply go though it, but brass or copper or bronze would harm one as badly as a blade would harm the living. I'm not sure how valid a statement that was, though. this was information passed onto me anecdotally via a relative and not though any sort of quotable/referencable text. Are there any cultures that beleve these metals inlaid in a blade can not only ward off evil spirits, but actually cause them harm if used in defense?

1st April 2011, 03:11 PM	#40
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	Since brass contains copper, the copper-colored blades may just be brass with more copper than usual. Pep: Some brass has to be better than none. That's the first I've heard of the blades actually being used to COMBAT spirits. I thought just having them around was enough.