italian sword

megn · 15th January 2011, 12:05 AM

Greetings gentelmen,

I would like to ask your opinion if this a original 19th century sword or replica.
Greately appreciate it.

Jim McDougall · 15th January 2011, 02:45 PM

Hi Megn, welcome to our forum!
These Italian military swords are a bit on the esoteric side in the arms collecting world here in the States, and I wish I had my copy of Calemendrei on hand, as that is one of the only references describing these with any reliability.
For me, from all appearances this is an authentic latter 19th century Italian sabre, nice photos BTW. It looks as if the wood on the grip has been given some attention, but the discoloring on the treated metal surfaces seems OK. There seems to be genuine wear on the backstrap crosshatching, and the deeply stamped numbers suggest issue marks. Personally I am not aware of these military type swords of Italy being reproduced as they are certainly quite available in number if checking the right places. It does seem that Italian military swords do turn up occasonally and are promptly misidentified with other, usually earlier, European military forms.

Possibly there might be others out there familiar with these, but in the meantime, I will just place my observations and again, welcome you here.

All best regards,
Jim

fernando · 15th January 2011, 02:53 PM

Welcome to the Forum, Megn.
Say, have you got more swords or any other antique weapons?

celtan · 15th January 2011, 03:01 PM

Hi Megn, welcome to the forum.

I agree with JIm, what's the economic incentive of faking an italian _19th_ C..? The originals are easy to find, and cheap to boot.

Renaissance weapons are a different matter. They are works of art.

My money is on that it is original

Manuel Luis

BTW: Nice photos!

megn · 16th January 2011, 04:58 AM

Thank you all for the input !
Pictures sort of came with it …

Fernando, I do not have other items to show you. May be in the future.

kronckew · 16th January 2011, 08:53 AM

see this thread where we discussed mine.

Italian sword

Jim McDougall · 17th January 2011, 04:57 AM

Kronckew, thank you for posting that! I had forgotten all about it and I really appreciate the additional input. They really are attractive swords!

All the best,
Jim

15th January 2011, 12:05 AM	#1
megn Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2	italian sword Greetings gentelmen, I would like to ask your opinion if this a original 19th century sword or replica. Greately appreciate it. Attached Images

15th January 2011, 02:45 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,942	Hi Megn, welcome to our forum! These Italian military swords are a bit on the esoteric side in the arms collecting world here in the States, and I wish I had my copy of Calemendrei on hand, as that is one of the only references describing these with any reliability. For me, from all appearances this is an authentic latter 19th century Italian sabre, nice photos BTW. It looks as if the wood on the grip has been given some attention, but the discoloring on the treated metal surfaces seems OK. There seems to be genuine wear on the backstrap crosshatching, and the deeply stamped numbers suggest issue marks. Personally I am not aware of these military type swords of Italy being reproduced as they are certainly quite available in number if checking the right places. It does seem that Italian military swords do turn up occasonally and are promptly misidentified with other, usually earlier, European military forms. Possibly there might be others out there familiar with these, but in the meantime, I will just place my observations and again, welcome you here. All best regards, Jim

15th January 2011, 02:53 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Welcome to the Forum, Megn. Say, have you got more swords or any other antique weapons?

15th January 2011, 03:01 PM	#4
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hi Megn, welcome to the forum. I agree with JIm, what's the economic incentive of faking an italian _19th_ C..? The originals are easy to find, and cheap to boot. Renaissance weapons are a different matter. They are works of art. My money is on that it is original Manuel Luis BTW: Nice photos!

16th January 2011, 04:58 AM	#5
megn Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2	Thank you all for the input ! Pictures sort of came with it … Fernando, I do not have other items to show you. May be in the future.

16th January 2011, 08:53 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,181	see this thread where we discussed mine. Italian sword

17th January 2011, 04:57 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,942	Kronckew, thank you for posting that! I had forgotten all about it and I really appreciate the additional input. They really are attractive swords! All the best, Jim