Fake Yataghans

Spunjer · 20th November 2010, 09:06 PM

Just wonderin'... are there a lot of fake yataghans out there? And how can one tell a real yat from a fake one? Any tell tale signs??

Battara · 20th November 2010, 09:09 PM

Well (bring a deep subject

) there are some reproductions made. They are not of the same quality or detail in the hilt and filigree as real ones (as of yet

).

Sounds like you are broadening your collecting field!

Spunjer · 20th November 2010, 09:32 PM

Thx jose! But would repros go to the length of having gold koftgari, ivory pommel, and silver scabbard?

Battara · 21st November 2010, 12:08 AM

No. They would be normally too expensive and a repo is for cheap manufacture and quick sale. (You can email me if you want).

ariel · 21st November 2010, 05:43 PM

I am not aware of any blatantly fake yataghans, with the exception of chinese monstrosities not even resembling the original blade contour and with fantasy handles.
Jose, if you have any examples, could you post them? I would be very interested to look at them ( BTW, sorry for having missed you in Louisville, but you were doing a good deed, so all is forgiven).
And, as for the ivory/ gold/ koftgari.... I am with Jose 100%.

Battara · 21st November 2010, 07:48 PM

Fortunately they are difficult to reproduce well right now. Only yataghan bayonets are being reproduced at present. Below are 2 that are recent custom reproductions:

Battara · 21st November 2010, 07:50 PM

Below is a Vince Evans reproduction and although the best I have seen so far, you can still see that it is modern.

You can find the thread here: www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=94571

Spunjer · 21st November 2010, 10:19 PM

Well, that's reassuring. I'm eyeing a kindjal at the moment, and by doing a research in this forum, i was surprise at how rampant are the forgeries on these swords. Somehow, i was thinking about yataghans, and nothing is mentioned about these swords being faked... thanks!

Battara · 21st November 2010, 11:04 PM

Kindjals seem to be more easily faked. Yats are little harder to fake and so far not worth it. Perhaps not enough interest in them to fake.

Dom · 23rd November 2010, 03:12 AM

Hi
I noticed from India and also, recently from Syria, a large quantity of Shamshir and Pala copies
either recycling old blades and added gold/ koftgari, with new hilt and without scabbard
or India new wootz blade with also gold/ koftgari, with scabbard

e.i.

an other one, priced ... Current Price: $235.50

... no comment
http://militariaforsale.org/antique-...ilij-with-gold

until now, I didn't saw a yat copy

à +

Dom

Battara · 23rd November 2010, 04:21 AM

Good point Dom. I have been confused by these and what you said makes sense.

20th November 2010, 09:06 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Fake Yataghans Just wonderin'... are there a lot of fake yataghans out there? And how can one tell a real yat from a fake one? Any tell tale signs??

21st November 2010, 07:48 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Fortunately they are difficult to reproduce well right now. Only yataghan bayonets are being reproduced at present. Below are 2 that are recent custom reproductions: Attached Images

21st November 2010, 07:50 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Below is a Vince Evans reproduction and although the best I have seen so far, you can still see that it is modern. You can find the thread here: www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=94571 Attached Images

23rd November 2010, 03:12 AM	#10
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi I noticed from India and also, recently from Syria, a large quantity of Shamshir and Pala copies either recycling old blades and added gold/ koftgari, with new hilt and without scabbard or India new wootz blade with also gold/ koftgari, with scabbard e.i. an other one, priced ... Current Price: $235.50 ... no comment http://militariaforsale.org/antique-...ilij-with-gold until now, I didn't saw a yat copy à + Dom Last edited by Dom; 23rd November 2010 at 04:02 PM.

20th November 2010, 09:09 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Well (bring a deep subject ) there are some reproductions made. They are not of the same quality or detail in the hilt and filigree as real ones (as of yet ). Sounds like you are broadening your collecting field!

20th November 2010, 09:32 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Thx jose! But would repros go to the length of having gold koftgari, ivory pommel, and silver scabbard?

21st November 2010, 12:08 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	No. They would be normally too expensive and a repo is for cheap manufacture and quick sale. (You can email me if you want).

21st November 2010, 05:43 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am not aware of any blatantly fake yataghans, with the exception of chinese monstrosities not even resembling the original blade contour and with fantasy handles. Jose, if you have any examples, could you post them? I would be very interested to look at them ( BTW, sorry for having missed you in Louisville, but you were doing a good deed, so all is forgiven). And, as for the ivory/ gold/ koftgari.... I am with Jose 100%.

21st November 2010, 10:19 PM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Well, that's reassuring. I'm eyeing a kindjal at the moment, and by doing a research in this forum, i was surprise at how rampant are the forgeries on these swords. Somehow, i was thinking about yataghans, and nothing is mentioned about these swords being faked... thanks!

21st November 2010, 11:04 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Kindjals seem to be more easily faked. Yats are little harder to fake and so far not worth it. Perhaps not enough interest in them to fake.

23rd November 2010, 04:21 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Good point Dom. I have been confused by these and what you said makes sense.