PIRA OR TENEGRE ?

Royston · 30th May 2010, 03:38 PM

Is it a tenegre or a Pira ?

To me it has attributes of both, but then I am no expert.

Monster-head hilt. Long spine. American coins, you can see the dates on some and they appear to be silver.
Scabbard may or may not be original.

I will be happy for any comments and suggestions.

Regards
Roy

Maurice · 30th May 2010, 05:03 PM

I like the silver Handle!!!!!
I looked in my images database and found something that looked like it (the two pieces to the right of the image).
Both have the same shape of blade and also the handles have this protrusion. Although yours looks more Tenegre-like because of the face and is more attractive ??....

I wouldn't call it a pira...

Maurice · 30th May 2010, 05:14 PM

And the scabbard looks like a more plain version as those two depicted on the left.

Battara · 30th May 2010, 07:03 PM

It popularly is called a sanduko, although the natives in the highlands of Panay Island in the Philippines call it a sapot taribong. This is a nice example. Did not know you had another one. It is different from the tenegre.

Would you show pictures of the other side of the scabbard please?

FYI - I will soon be posting a separate thread with newly come to light research and information on exactly this type of piece.

Rick · 30th May 2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

And the scabbard looks like a more plain version as those two depicted on the left.

Nice assortment of Mandaya weapons .

Maurice · 30th May 2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Nice assortment of Mandaya weapons .

Ofcourse I picked the images from another thread and they are not mine unfortunately.....

Battara · 30th May 2010, 10:06 PM

Yes they are from the Macao Exhibit and as mentioned are from the Mandaya tribe.

Royston's piece is from the Bukidnon (what some called Mondo) tribe. It is a rare form of sanduko, the highest form and ceremonial.

Rick · 30th May 2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Yes they are from the Macao Exhibit and as mentioned are from the Mandaya tribe.

Royston's piece is from the Bukidnon (what some called Mondo) tribe. It is a rare form of sanduko, the highest form and ceremonial.

Oh Man , do I feel stupid right now !

Never should have gone to Woodstock ....

Royston · 31st May 2010, 10:04 AM

Gentlemen

Thank you for the interest and the information. I have never heard of this type of weapon before. It is always good to find that I have something a little "out of the ordinary"

Maurice - Thanks for the photos.

Battara - I look forward to your new thread on these.
I will post another picture of the scabbard but you will have to be patient as I am away at work at the moment for the next 3 weeks.

Rick - Missed Woodstock but check my location and guess where I am going next leave.

Maurice · 31st May 2010, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Royston's piece is from the Bukidnon (what some called Mondo) tribe. It is a rare form of sanduko, the highest form and ceremonial.

No old sanduku images I have on my computer, but here an old image of a Bukidnon warrior and a Bukidnon chief, and for fun an image of a band of Bukidnon boys....

Battara · 31st May 2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

No old sanduku images I have on my computer, but here an old image of a Bukidnon warrior and a Bukidnon chief, and for fun an image of a band of Bukidnon boys....

My apologies, I should have been more specific. What I meant was the Panay Bukidnon tribe.

Maurice · 31st May 2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

My apologies, I should have been more specific. What I meant was the Panay Bukidnon tribe.

I think you were clear enough, but my knowledge about tribes and their costume is not my favorite......but I should have known regarding the warriors shield....

But anyway, now I know there are more Bukidnon tribes around overthere.

Maurice

30th May 2010, 03:38 PM	#1
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	PIRA OR TENEGRE ? Is it a tenegre or a Pira ? To me it has attributes of both, but then I am no expert. Monster-head hilt. Long spine. American coins, you can see the dates on some and they appear to be silver. Scabbard may or may not be original. I will be happy for any comments and suggestions. Regards Roy Attached Images

30th May 2010, 05:03 PM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,334	I like the silver Handle!!!!! I looked in my images database and found something that looked like it (the two pieces to the right of the image). Both have the same shape of blade and also the handles have this protrusion. Although yours looks more Tenegre-like because of the face and is more attractive ??.... I wouldn't call it a pira... Attached Images

30th May 2010, 05:14 PM	#3
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,334	And the scabbard looks like a more plain version as those two depicted on the left. Attached Images

30th May 2010, 07:03 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	It popularly is called a sanduko, although the natives in the highlands of Panay Island in the Philippines call it a sapot taribong. This is a nice example. Did not know you had another one. It is different from the tenegre. Would you show pictures of the other side of the scabbard please? FYI - I will soon be posting a separate thread with newly come to light research and information on exactly this type of piece.

30th May 2010, 10:06 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Yes they are from the Macao Exhibit and as mentioned are from the Mandaya tribe. Royston's piece is from the Bukidnon (what some called Mondo) tribe. It is a rare form of sanduko, the highest form and ceremonial.

31st May 2010, 10:04 AM	#9
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Gentlemen Thank you for the interest and the information. I have never heard of this type of weapon before. It is always good to find that I have something a little "out of the ordinary" Maurice - Thanks for the photos. Battara - I look forward to your new thread on these. I will post another picture of the scabbard but you will have to be patient as I am away at work at the moment for the next 3 weeks. Rick - Missed Woodstock but check my location and guess where I am going next leave.