Four interesting Atjeh Peurises!

[Maurice]

Hi,

In short time I have found some very interesting Atjeh peurises.
I think I was very lucky!

Maurice

[erikscollectables]

These are all four very rare and desirable!

It is hard even to find one of these - let alone four such great items!

Ratan shields with the cotton covers still there are very rare.

The old type of copper peurise is in itstelf very rare and with 5 and 6 stars they are close to unique items!

Most Aceh shields have 7 stars!

Great finds, congrats Maurice!

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi,

In short time I have found some very interesting Atjeh peurises.
I think I was very lucky!

Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

These are all four very rare and desirable!

It is hard even to find one of these - let alone four such great items!

Ratan shields with the cotton covers still there are very rare.

The old type of copper peurise is in itstelf very rare and with 5 and 6 stars they are close to unique items!

Most Aceh shields have 7 stars!

Great finds, congrats Maurice!

Besides that they look nice and attractive and they are hard to find, I like above all the provenance of these shields. That was the primary reason buying these pieces at the first place!

The peurise teumaga's are very heavy! And although one is pretty damaged, I like this one very much because of it's provenance!
Without the provenance I would have left it where it was.. :-)

In the article "Inheemse Wapens in den Oostindischen Archipel, written by H.J. Voskuil", you find on page 14, Afb. D, images of peurises.
There are depicted 4 shields. One with no stars, one with 7 stars, and 2 ratan shields with 5 stars each...

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi,

In short time I have found some very interesting Atjeh peurises.
I think I was very lucky!

Maurice

Beautiful Maurice :-)

Antique shields from most cultures are beautiful and rare items.
I do like the variety to have obtained greatly. My study of the weapons I bought from Kelling Hall have certainly created a personal interest in Sumatran items and I am enjoying viewing these pieces.
As noted, cloth of these shields is very rarely seen these days but looking at the darker shield, it does not look like cloth...what covers it?
Thank you for sharing and I look forward to more discussion on these items.

Gav

[Battara]

Very nice pieces. I like them plenty, especially the 2 cloth wrapped ones. Congratulations!

Could the darker one be leather?

[asomotif]

Hello Maurice,

Nice shields.
What is the provenance of the damaged shield/
Is it depicted in Voskuil's article ?

here is one I was able to buy last year.
36 cms diameter / 1,78 kgs, quite heavy for Atjeh standards

[kai]

Congrats, Maurice, these are beautiful!

As noted, cloth of these shields is very rarely seen these days but looking at the darker shield, it does not look like cloth...what covers it?

Possibly the fabric got treated - here are more pics:
http://www.ethnographicswords.com/in...58&vsig210_0=3

(More pics of the other pieces in Maurice's gallery, too )

Regards,
Kai

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Beautiful Maurice :-)

Antique shields from most cultures are beautiful and rare items.
I do like the variety to have obtained greatly. My study of the weapons I bought from Kelling Hall have certainly created a personal interest in Sumatran items and I am enjoying viewing these pieces.
As noted, cloth of these shields is very rarely seen these days but looking at the darker shield, it does not look like cloth...what covers it?
Thank you for sharing and I look forward to more discussion on these items.

Gav

Thanks Gav,

Because of your Kelling Hall collection my interest was growing and growing. And when I got the little shield covered with coton, which is coming out of the depot of the Nijmeegs Volkenkundig museum, I decided to collect more Atjeh pieces...

The darker shield is also covered in cloth (from the frontside, the back is all gone and the ratan is only there).
It could be that the cloth was lighter in colour once, but got so dark because of dirt and dust??

I read somewhere that the cloth covering these peurises used to be red or black. But I can't recall in which book I read it.

Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Battara

Very nice pieces. I like them plenty, especially the 2 cloth wrapped ones. Congratulations!

Could the darker one be leather?

Jose,

Absolutely no leather one. From nearby it is easy to see because of the structure that it is cloth. 100% sure about that!
By the way this shield is the only one I still have to find out about the provenance. The seller who sold it to me, assured me that it belonged to the same collection as the little one with red cloth. But I am still working on that..

Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by kai

Congrats, Maurice, these are beautiful!


Possibly the fabric got treated - here are more pics:
http://www.ethnographicswords.com/in...58&vsig210_0=3

(More pics of the other pieces in Maurice's gallery, too )

Regards,
Kai

Thanks Kai,

It could be the fabric got treated, but there are also some lighter stains visible. It could be that it was much lighter before, but got darken because of dirt/dust?
Maybe a member of the forum knows more about the treatings of the cloth?

Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Maurice,

Nice shields.
What is the provenance of the damaged shield/
Is it depicted in Voskuil's article ?

here is one I was able to buy last year.
36 cms diameter / 1,78 kgs, quite heavy for Atjeh standards

Hi Willem,

No it was not depicted in Voskuil's article. I was just referring to the two ratan pieces with also 5 stars on it that are depicted in it.

Also a very nice shield you have in your collection Willem.
I really like this one, especially with the cusion at the backside.
These are the shields how they can be found in the Nijmegen museumdepot. When I first handled one of these, I was surprised about the weight of these unlike the decorated brass ones.

I am sure you remember the damaged shield because it was discussed in another thread already which you also participated.
It was collected in the early 1900 by a dutch Knil officer called Blüml.
A box was found on the attic of Blüml's grandson after his death, with two shields, weapons, documents/photo's and medals.
I have some images of these documents/photo's and medals.

Here a few images of some pieces (included my peurise), Blüml's, document and medals that where in the box and are from the same collection.

Maurice

[asomotif]

Normally not my territory, but I checked out the medals of Officer Bluml.

From left to right :
1. Cross for important war actions (expedition cross), instituted 1869 and awarded to the participants in important campaigns. With Atjeh 1901-1905 campaign clasp.
2. Officers Long Service decoration, silver gilt.(15 years)
3. Officer's cross of the Order of Orange-Nassau
4. NBVLO cross for 4 days long distance marches. (Vierdaagse van Nijmegen)

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Normally not my territory, but I checked out the medals of Officer Bluml.

From left to right :
1. Cross for important war actions (expedition cross), instituted 1869 and awarded to the participants in important campaigns. With Atjeh 1901-1905 campaign clasp.
2. Officers Long Service decoration, silver gilt.(15 years)
3. Officer's cross of the Order of Orange-Nassau
4. NBVLO cross for 4 days long distance marches. (Vierdaagse van Nijmegen)

Thank you Willem! Nice to know what the medals are standing for.
I guess the NBVLO cross (vierdaagse van Nijmegen) must be the most important one....

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Thanks Gav,

Because of your Kelling Hall collection my interest was growing and growing. And when I got the little shield covered with coton, which is coming out of the depot of the Nijmeegs Volkenkundig museum, I decided to collect more Atjeh pieces...

The darker shield is also covered in cloth (from the frontside, the back is all gone and the ratan is only there).
It could be that the cloth was lighter in colour once, but got so dark because of dirt and dust??

I read somewhere that the cloth covering these peurises used to be red or black. But I can't recall in which book I read it.

Maurice

Your collections and history behind the items is fantastic Maurice, when something has a history attached, it does take on a whole new dimension and seeing your collection grow in the last 6 months with super quality and historically important items is facinating, keep them coming mate.
As I have found and others have noted these weapons of any type are under appreciated and under valued. Their form and function is beautiful.

Gav

[asomotif]

I guess the NBVLO cross (vierdaagse van Nijmegen) must be the most important one....

The NBVLO may be worn on militairy tenue. That is probably why it is there.
And still, 4 days of 50 kms marching with full packing. It takes some training I guess

Too bad that the medals where sold separately. the Orange Nassau Cross must have made it an expensive set.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Your collections and history behind the items is fantastic Maurice, when something has a history attached, it does take on a whole new dimension and seeing your collection grow in the last 6 months with super quality and historically important items is facinating, keep them coming mate.
As I have found and others have noted these weapons of any type are under appreciated and under valued. Their form and function is beautiful.

Gav

I am glad you like it Gav!
I also like these provenanced pieces, because you have got another feeling with the piece as otherwise.
As you can see the Bluml shield is pretty damaged, but with the provenance it is very wanted in my collection. Even more as the other one that is depicted in the book of Zonneveld which is in much better condition.

But my experiences with some other fellowcollectors are, that they are only going for the high end pieces rather than the damaged provenanced pieces.....
So that is the luck I have with grabbing them before others do who only look at its appearence....
Just like your Kelling Hall pieces, with the provenance of this sir Deterding, who was one of the most important people of the last century...
My opinion is that provenance is important, and nice to dig out as much as possible. The more you find, the more affection with the provenanced pieces.....

Maurice

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

The NBVLO may be worn on militairy tenue. That is probably why it is there.
And still, 4 days of 50 kms marching with full packing. It takes some training I guess

Too bad that the medals where sold separately. the Orange Nassau Cross must have made it an expensive set.

Yes Willem, the medals and documents/photo's were not bought with the weapons.
They seemed to be too expensive and not in the line of collectingfield of the collector who bought this collection, to pay that kind of money for those..

[Maurice]

After years I think it's good to dig up this thread about Aceh shields again.

This week I found an interesting (Aceh?) shield. It's somewhat different as the Aceh shields we know of, but it has great old patina.
For instance it misses the "knob" in the middle.
Also is the edge a bit more curving upwards as seen on the usual Aceh shields.
The patina is different as the patina we see normaly on the brass shields. It has the same old patina as we also see on the old (not fake) lantaka's, and I never have found that on other brass Aceh shields, not in private collections and nor in museum collections.
When putting this shield next to the regular ones, it does look more old as the others, maybe because of the heavy patina which is on it.

The handle is made of a piece of braided ratan.
Any more input is welcome, just as other suggestions...

Thanks, Maurice

[VVV]

Beautiful deep patina!

Isn't it strange that there are so little talismanic symbols on the Aceh shields (compared with the blades)?
The only symbol I have seen is the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram-variation, aka Shield of David in the Jewish version)?

Michael

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by VVV

Beautiful deep patina!

Isn't it strange that there are so little talismanic symbols on the Aceh shields (compared with the blades)?
The only symbol I have seen is the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram-variation, aka Shield of David in the Jewish version)?

Michael

Indeed a strange thing and I never thought about it to be honest.
Also I've never read anything about it. Maybe John or Erik can tell us more about this.
I guess the blades needed "to do the job", and the shields were just side-issues?

Maurice

[drac2k]

ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC SHIELDS !!!

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Maurice

.... It's somewhat different as the Aceh shields we know of, but it has great old patina.
For instance it misses the "knob" in the middle.
Also is the edge a bit more curving upwards as seen on the usual Aceh shields....

Maurice, nice shield.
Very nice patina. I guess it can turn out this way if it is not cleaned for 100 years.

What is the diameter + weight ?

Best regards,
Willem

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Maurice, nice shield.
Very nice patina. I guess it can turn out this way if it is not cleaned for 100 years.

What is the diameter + weight ?

Best regards,
Willem

Sorry Willem,

Totally missed your question here!
Uhm.... You know the answer by now. Best regards, Maurice

[napoleon]

great thread thanks to everyone,really like these,how about a few pictures from members with sumatran shields?

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Sorry Willem,

Totally missed your question here!
Uhm.... You know the answer by now. Best regards, Maurice

Hi Maurice,

I only held the shield, did not measure it. but approx 25 cms and 500 grams.
Wonderfull old patina.

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by napoleon

great thread thanks to everyone,really like these,how about a few pictures from members with sumatran shields?

Bonjour,

If you check the search function for "peurise" you will find various threads about these shields.

Members who want to post pictures here are also welcome ofcourse.

Best regards,
Willem

[Jonno]

Complete peurisë


For more, see:
http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa...s/Peurise.html

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Jonno

Complete peurisë


For more, see:
http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa...s/Peurise.html

John, this shield looks too old. Besides, the fabric isn't complete, you better send this shield to me!

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Maurice,

I only held the shield, did not measure it. but approx 25 cms and 500 grams.
Wonderfull old patina.

Me neither.

PS I think it is a very rare version of Aceh shield. Never have seen any of these in a private collection, and it has a higher outer rim as the normal brass shields.

Look at the image of the Colonial Institute Amsterdam. You can see similar peurises with higher rim hanging on the wall..