Hussar from where?

kronckew · 6th September 2018, 06:47 PM

Just acquired this sword & will be picking it up tomorrow or Sat. morning. Seller thinks it's early 19c Prussian cavalry officer's sabre. Looks hussar-like or 1788-ish to me, the broadening to the pommel guard and knuckle bow is wider than the similar Prusso-German ones I've seen, and the upper quillion has an opening that reminds me of later Austro-Hungarian ones.

Can't quite make out the initials in the square stamp which appears to be on the pitted guard strap.

No scabbard, 83cm blade. Hope I will find a few more markings when I pick it up and clean it a bit. Grip wiring looks intact. The guard looks a bit pitted, not sure if it's black patina or lacquer.

ANy comments, help appreciated. Thanks.

kronckew · 6th September 2018, 09:37 PM

Appears it's a 1780-1800 Prussian Hussar sabre rather than a cavalry sabre.

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Kmaddock · 7th September 2018, 09:09 AM

Nice sword
V similar to the 1788 LC Sabre. But the grip looks a lot squarer and the hole for the tassle is something I had not seen before
Well done
Ken

Bryce · 7th September 2018, 12:26 PM

G'day Wayne,
Looks a lot like an Italian 1833 pattern mounted artillery sword.
Cheers,
Bryce

kronckew · 7th September 2018, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce

G'day Wayne,
Looks a lot like an Italian 1833 pattern mounted artillery sword.
Cheers,
Bryce

Close, but the guard quillion doesn't have the square opening on the quillion or the pointy bit on the lower part of the bolster. and has languettes only on one side. And has a clipped point.

Found these shots of a Prussian 1780-1800 hussar one in a number of references. here's a couple.

P.s. - I also have an Italian 1885 mounted artillery officers sword, posted here a few years back. Of course, completely different.

kronckew · 7th September 2018, 07:50 PM

1888 Italian Mounted artillery Officer's Private purchase Sword I mentioned.

Bryce · 9th September 2018, 11:46 PM

G'day Wayne,

I think both swords you have posted are Italian 1833 pattern artillery swords.

Early Prussian swords tend to have more geometric pommels similar to this one.

Cheers,

Bryce

kronckew · 10th September 2018, 12:21 AM

With that info, I've done another search & found reference to the sword as an 1833 Italian Mounted artillery sword, so that is a strong possibility. It will no doubt like living with it's younger brother.

There was a notation that it was indeed based on earlier hussar swords from other nations, by then thought obsolete, but still favoured by Mounted troops.

6th September 2018, 06:47 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Hussar from where? Just acquired this sword & will be picking it up tomorrow or Sat. morning. Seller thinks it's early 19c Prussian cavalry officer's sabre. Looks hussar-like or 1788-ish to me, the broadening to the pommel guard and knuckle bow is wider than the similar Prusso-German ones I've seen, and the upper quillion has an opening that reminds me of later Austro-Hungarian ones. Can't quite make out the initials in the square stamp which appears to be on the pitted guard strap. No scabbard, 83cm blade. Hope I will find a few more markings when I pick it up and clean it a bit. Grip wiring looks intact. The guard looks a bit pitted, not sure if it's black patina or lacquer. ANy comments, help appreciated. Thanks. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 6th September 2018 at 09:38 PM.

6th September 2018, 09:37 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Appears it's a 1780-1800 Prussian Hussar sabre rather than a cavalry sabre. . Last edited by fernando; 6th September 2018 at 11:11 PM. Reason: No links to active sales, Wayne; you know that

7th September 2018, 07:50 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	1888 Italian Mounted artillery Officer's Private purchase Sword I mentioned. Attached Images

9th September 2018, 11:46 PM	#7
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 186	G'day Wayne, I think both swords you have posted are Italian 1833 pattern artillery swords. Early Prussian swords tend to have more geometric pommels similar to this one. Cheers, Bryce Attached Images

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7th September 2018, 09:09 AM	#3
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Nice sword V similar to the 1788 LC Sabre. But the grip looks a lot squarer and the hole for the tassle is something I had not seen before Well done Ken

7th September 2018, 12:26 PM	#4
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 186	G'day Wayne, Looks a lot like an Italian 1833 pattern mounted artillery sword. Cheers, Bryce

10th September 2018, 12:21 AM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	With that info, I've done another search & found reference to the sword as an 1833 Italian Mounted artillery sword, so that is a strong possibility. It will no doubt like living with it's younger brother. There was a notation that it was indeed based on earlier hussar swords from other nations, by then thought obsolete, but still favoured by Mounted troops.