![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]()
Dear Forum
I have this Keris but i dont know the dhapur, the blade look like Singo Kilin,but this keris have two Singo Kilin. Please give your opinion cause i cant find another picture in the internet similar with this keris. Thanks. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,252
|
![]()
Hello Ridho,
Looks like a double Naga to me (gandhik naga penganten). I don't think any dhapur can be assigned to this keris: IMHO it does seem to be a Karmadikan blade that doesn't follow any traditional pakem AFAIK. I hope some of our forumites will contribute similar examples for comparison. I've seen a few (apparently of lesser quality than yours) - can't post any currently for sale though. BTW, more light will allow you to take better pics! Here is a thread with lots of tips: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10581 Regards, Kai |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Member
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,855
|
![]()
Yes Kai, Kemardikan, no legitimate Surakarta dhapur.
I specify "Surakarta", because that is the only documented one that we have. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 371
|
![]()
Hello Ridho, I am afraid I cannot add to the comments, but could I suggest photographing your keris with a plain background rather than a patterned one, it makes it easier to pick out the details
regards Drdavid |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]()
Sorry for bad picture..i will send another picture later..thanks you for all your kind comment..
Regards. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 | |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]() Quote:
But Kai,according to what i know (this maybe wrong because my lack of my knowledge) this keris isn't dhapur Naga,because ,the Naga dhapur always crowned by a different crown depend on the naga. This is several of keris with dhapur Naga from my own collections. Please correct me if i was wrong. I'm just a learner. Be patient with me ok Kai, and Alan..you're my idol. Seriously! Regards. Ridho Pulungan |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]()
Hi guys..
Hope this picture can make you more clear about this keris. Regards. Ridho Pulungan |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Keris forum moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,100
|
![]()
Yes Ridho, these are better photos in that they are not shaky and blurry, but they are a bit too dark to show the details well. I hope you don't mind that i lightened one up for better viewing.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Keris forum moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,100
|
![]()
I think what we can now see shows why you identified this figures as Singo rather than Naga. They have front legs and paws, not a feature generally shown on Naga. They also seem to have manes. Then again the legs seem to have scales.
I believe we have already established this keris as Kemardikan. As such, many of the rules of presentation go out the window. To my eye the creatures represented on this blade are neither Naga or Singo. Perhaps they were created to be a combination of both. This is a nicely crafted and elaborately dressed bit of modern keris art. I don't believe we can hold it to any of the standards of pakem or say for sure exactly what the creatures on the blade are intended to be as they don't seem to fit into any traditional form. ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 188
|
![]() Quote:
Last edited by Bjorn; 12th June 2018 at 07:43 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 188
|
![]()
Below some photos of Qilin. The first one is located on the grounds of the Summer Palace in Beijing. The second is is the logo of Japan's Kirin biru. The last one shows a barongsai (lion dance, likely related to the well known Balinese barong as well) in Bogor (West Java).
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]()
Please find the picture below Alan. That the layer of the keris under the magnificiant lens that might be interesting.
Best regards. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 | |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 | |
Keris forum moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,100
|
![]() Quote:
![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 | |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia
Posts: 21
|
![]() Quote:
Thank you so much for your comment. Its was reliefing to me. I looking forward for any sugestion or advice from you about this keris or else later. You guys are Awesome.!. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#16 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 188
|
![]() Quote:
In batik, the qilin is one of the motifs encountered in pieces that are aimed, or created by, ethnic Chinese or peranakan. Unlike the art of batik, in keris, the qilin hasn't seen use as a traditional motif, as far as I know. Nevertheless, we are looking at a keris kemardikan here, which offers creators the freedom to employ fantasy designs, but also to employ designs that have, and are, used in Indonesia outside of the sphere of keris. In this regard, I agree that the qilin motif is not a traditional keris design, but I would not go as far as to call it a fantasy design when applied to a keris kemardikan. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#17 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 188
|
![]() Quote:
I'm happy I was able to contribute a little to your topic. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|