Unknown something (mace head?)

Evgeny_K · 21st May 2018, 03:18 PM

Gentlemen,
What do you think about this artefact found somewhere on Crimean peninsula?
Looks like some kind of mace head, but weight is 76.5g

Rick · 22nd May 2018, 02:08 AM

Is it hollow?

Hotspur · 22nd May 2018, 05:34 AM

Looks like a finial from something along the line of a fireplace andiron or poker.

Cheers
GC

corrado26 · 22nd May 2018, 02:19 PM

The eagle is probably or perhaps the agle of the county of Tirol in Austria.
corrado26

Evgeny_K · 22nd May 2018, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Is it hollow?

It has tapering hole 3.5 cm deep
The socket is 1.5 cm in diameter

Evgeny_K · 22nd May 2018, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

The eagle is probably or perhaps the agle of the county of Tirol in Austria.
corrado26

Looks like German Imperial Eagle (Reichsadler):

Evgeny_K · 22nd May 2018, 04:41 PM

Could it be schiavona like pommel?

Hotspur · 22nd May 2018, 08:21 PM

Imo, the diameter of the socket and coarseness of casting pretty much rule out anything weapon related.

Cheers

GC

Victrix · 23rd May 2018, 09:17 PM

The beak of the creature looks too long for a Reichsadler. It looks like a dragon (not that I ever saw one in real life) or a heron/pelican over a crown? The shape of the knob is oddly ”organic” and I could imagine that it may have topped a staff of symbolical significance (tribal hetman chief or herald)? This is pure conjecture.

salsan · 28th May 2018, 03:22 PM

It is clear that this is a metal object that has been cleaned. The upper part has a cutting edge, and the lower small hole has a corresponding depth and diameter. In all likelihood, this is an arbalest bolt. The fact that it depicts the coat of arms is only giving more status to this subject. If we consider that the object was found in the Crimea, then in all likelihood it relates to the Genoese colonies in the northern Black Sea region, called Gazaria, in the 13th - 15th centuries. Proceeding from this, it is easy to conclude that the coat of arms belongs to the influential aristocratic Doria family, which played an important role in the Genoese republic and spread its influence to the Genoese colony of Cuff and the Trebizond Empire.

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Evgeny_K · 28th May 2018, 08:34 PM

salsan, thank you VERY much! Уour version is very convincing.

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22nd May 2018, 02:08 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Is it hollow?

22nd May 2018, 05:34 AM	#3
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 498	Looks like a finial from something along the line of a fireplace andiron or poker. Cheers GC

22nd May 2018, 02:19 PM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	The eagle is probably or perhaps the agle of the county of Tirol in Austria. corrado26

22nd May 2018, 04:41 PM	#7
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Could it be schiavona like pommel?

22nd May 2018, 08:21 PM	#8
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 498	Imo, the diameter of the socket and coarseness of casting pretty much rule out anything weapon related. Cheers GC

23rd May 2018, 09:17 PM	#9
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 695	The beak of the creature looks too long for a Reichsadler. It looks like a dragon (not that I ever saw one in real life) or a heron/pelican over a crown? The shape of the knob is oddly ”organic” and I could imagine that it may have topped a staff of symbolical significance (tribal hetman chief or herald)? This is pure conjecture.

28th May 2018, 03:22 PM	#10
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	It is clear that this is a metal object that has been cleaned. The upper part has a cutting edge, and the lower small hole has a corresponding depth and diameter. In all likelihood, this is an arbalest bolt. The fact that it depicts the coat of arms is only giving more status to this subject. If we consider that the object was found in the Crimea, then in all likelihood it relates to the Genoese colonies in the northern Black Sea region, called Gazaria, in the 13th - 15th centuries. Proceeding from this, it is easy to conclude that the coat of arms belongs to the influential aristocratic Doria family, which played an important role in the Genoese republic and spread its influence to the Genoese colony of Cuff and the Trebizond Empire. ipic uploads