Plas help id this Yataghan

Hatumesh · 30th June 2009, 09:35 PM

Hi,
Can any of you shed light on this piece. The more info on it - the happier I'll be.
Thank you.

Rick · 30th June 2009, 09:38 PM

Do you plan to sell it in Swap ?

Hatumesh · 30th June 2009, 09:42 PM

Goodness! We are not supposed to ask such questions publicly. I'll PM you.

Emanuel · 30th June 2009, 11:59 PM

Nice one Hatumesh!

I think I can make out a _128 on the top-left corner of the inscription. That would make it (1)716 on the Gregorian calendar.

Emanuel

Battara · 1st July 2009, 05:15 AM

Could also be Balkan......

Oriental-Arms · 1st July 2009, 02:04 PM

This type of Yataghans are commonly regarded as Balkan (The big wide walrus pommel ears). They were very common in the 19 C. I would be surprised to find an early 18 C. one. The blade could be an early one re-mounted in the 19 C. Yet, the quality of the silver work is 19 C. and I would expect a much better Caligraphy in the early 18 C. Another posibility is to read the date as 1280 (the short line after the figure 8 might be a 0) which makes 1863 in the Gregorian calendar.

Valjhun · 1st July 2009, 04:20 PM

Well, rather common variant, but still quite desiderable and well made Bosnian style yataghan from 1850-1890, or more precisely, like Mr. Yarom said, made in 1863 AD.

It would be nice if someone'd be able to translate the inscription....

Very nice piece! Congratulations!

Dom · 5th July 2009, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriental-Arms

the short line after the figure 8 might be a 0

absolutly correct

but still yet the arabic script for 2 or 3,
who is a source of speculations

presently arabic reader, said 1380

the transcrition for the first sentence is;
- AMAL OSMAN ..????.. WA MALEK SOLIMAN 1380

the transcription for the second sentence wasn't possible,
apparently, the script is in arabic alphabet, but not the language

may be turkish

traduction of the first lign:
- MADE BY OSMAN ..????.. AND MALEK SOLIMAN 1960

à +

Dom (from NAS Fallon - Nevada)

ariel · 5th July 2009, 03:24 AM

It really cannot be 1960 Gregorian. Also, i would be VERY surprised if it were dated 1128H. I, just like Artzi, see 1280H

ariel · 5th July 2009, 03:25 AM

Sorry, pushed the button one time too many.

Dom · 5th July 2009, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

It really cannot be 1960 Gregorian. Also, i would be VERY surprised if it were dated 1128H. I, just like Artzi, see 1280H

I just retrancript, and difficult for me to argument,
because I'm not arab native

but my translator, her ... she IS without contestation

... nevertheless

- without to denied the beauty of that yatagan, it's looks relatively recent

- well know that the East countries are over flooding the international market with copies, some times from very good black-smith or blade-smith

- they may honestly signed and dated their production ... why not

any way, I'm extremely reserved when it's matter of date, even and specially when that one it's mentionned some where,
when the blade is in "Joar" the sentence is clear,
the other are just a speculation at my point of view

what is mentionned in above, it's not "THE TRUTH", just my true

à +

Dom

Hotspur · 5th July 2009, 05:39 AM

I know of a similar one with horn grips and a less fancy grip divider but with tat same knurled circle mark.

Pictures, a few. Afaik, still on the market.

Cheers

Hotspur; I have a small ear white grip from roughly 1800 that has the ya ali mark on which I have seen several

30th June 2009, 09:35 PM	#1
Hatumesh Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 24	Plas help id this Yataghan Hi, Can any of you shed light on this piece. The more info on it - the happier I'll be. Thank you. Attached Images

1st July 2009, 02:04 PM	#6
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	Yataghan, 18 or 19 C. This type of Yataghans are commonly regarded as Balkan (The big wide walrus pommel ears). They were very common in the 19 C. I would be surprised to find an early 18 C. one. The blade could be an early one re-mounted in the 19 C. Yet, the quality of the silver work is 19 C. and I would expect a much better Caligraphy in the early 18 C. Another posibility is to read the date as 1280 (the short line after the figure 8 might be a 0) which makes 1863 in the Gregorian calendar.

5th July 2009, 05:39 AM	#12
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 498	I know of a similar one with horn grips and a less fancy grip divider but with tat same knurled circle mark. Pictures, a few. Afaik, still on the market. Cheers Hotspur; I have a small ear white grip from roughly 1800 that has the ya ali mark on which I have seen several Attached Images

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30th June 2009, 09:38 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Do you plan to sell it in Swap ?

30th June 2009, 09:42 PM	#3
Hatumesh Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 24	Goodness! We are not supposed to ask such questions publicly. I'll PM you.

30th June 2009, 11:59 PM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Nice one Hatumesh! I think I can make out a _128 on the top-left corner of the inscription. That would make it (1)716 on the Gregorian calendar. Emanuel

1st July 2009, 05:15 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Could also be Balkan......

1st July 2009, 04:20 PM	#7
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Well, rather common variant, but still quite desiderable and well made Bosnian style yataghan from 1850-1890, or more precisely, like Mr. Yarom said, made in 1863 AD. It would be nice if someone'd be able to translate the inscription.... Very nice piece! Congratulations!

5th July 2009, 03:24 AM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It really cannot be 1960 Gregorian. Also, i would be VERY surprised if it were dated 1128H. I, just like Artzi, see 1280H

5th July 2009, 03:25 AM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Sorry, pushed the button one time too many.