Any Amazon collectors? - Page 5

VANDOO · 27th August 2015, 07:46 PM

THE SMALL DANCE SPEAR IS FAIRLY RECENT AND WAS MADE USING MODERN TOOLS POSSIBLY FOR TRIBAL CEREMONIES BUT LIKELY FOR SALE TO TOURISTS. ITS ACTUALLY WELL MADE FOR A SOUVENIR AND DOES HAVE SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL TRIBAL DESIGN I ASSOCIATE WITH THE KAXINAWA TRIBE. THERE IS A PICTURE OF SOME MORE OF THE TRIBES PEOPLE AND WEAPONS EARLIER IN THIS POST. I COULD BE WRONG AS OTHER TRIBES MAY MAKE THIS FORM OF SPEAR BUT SO FAR THE ONLY EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WERE FROM THIS TRIBE, SO ITS A GOOD PLACE TO START LOOKING.

fireiceviper · 21st October 2015, 08:38 PM

I know it's not really a weapon, but i thought i'd share

I believe its from the Guyana/Surinam Area.. ( I also found another bow and arrow set, but haven't had time for pictures yet, but trust me its nice with feathers

)

Houkura · 1st February 2016, 03:48 PM

Hi Folks. First post here. I found this site researching a club I purchased several months ago and figured now that I am enrolled I would share some photos of the club. From the Smithsonian website I found the club is what they call a "Shipibo Sword Club". It's quite heavy and has very sharp edges. Could cut through about anything. Very nice patina. The unusual aspect is where there is usually a sort of woven "rattan" covering on the handle this club has a native made cotton cover-probably a replacement but still pretty early. There is an old storage label from a "Bekins Moving" (an American moving company) in Albuquerque and the seller said it was in a small museum in New Mexico in the 50's. I collect Polynesian clubs and objects and a little African so this is out of my wheelhouse but it was so cheap and looked quite nice so I pulled the trigger. Any info on this club welcome. I've really enjoyed this thread and others-thanks... Sorry the photos are a little dark! I'll post one first to see if I'm doing it right...

Houkura · 1st February 2016, 05:15 PM

So-that was my first post here and I failed on the photo upload of course. Here are photos of the club... Sorry they are a bit dark-will do better next time. Incremental improvements...

Tim Simmons · 1st February 2016, 06:45 PM

Would like to see it but no pics so far.

kronckew · 2nd February 2016, 08:41 AM

i see the pics. nice club. i like it...

Sajen · 2nd February 2016, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houkura

So-that was my first post here and I failed on the photo upload of course. Here are photos of the club... Sorry they are a bit dark-will do better next time. Incremental improvements...

Welcome to the forum! Nice club.

Regards,
Detlef

VANDOO · 2nd February 2016, 07:56 PM

WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

A VERY NICE OLD EXAMPLE. MY TWO SHIPIBO CLUBS EARLY IN THIS POST WERE OF A LIGHTER SOFTER WOOD AND HAVE THE TRADITIONAL SHIPIBO TRIBAL DESIGNS ON THE BLADES. I SUSPECT MY TWO ARE MORE FOR DANCE , PRESENTATION OR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FIGHTING. THERE IS A GOOD HEAVY EXAMPLE IN THE NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN NEW YORK CITY THAT HAS THE TRIBAL DESIGNS SO PERHAPS THERE WAS A PERIOD OF OVERLAP BETWEEN WEAPON AND CEREMONIAL USE.

IS THERE ANY TRACE OF TRIBAL DESIGN ON YOUR CLUB?

Tim Simmons · 2nd February 2016, 07:59 PM

Nice, got some age . I want one.

Houkura · 3rd February 2016, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

A VERY NICE OLD EXAMPLE. MY TWO SHIPIBO CLUBS EARLY IN THIS POST WERE OF A LIGHTER SOFTER WOOD AND HAVE THE TRADITIONAL SHIPIBO TRIBAL DESIGNS ON THE BLADES. I SUSPECT MY TWO ARE MORE FOR DANCE , PRESENTATION OR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FIGHTING. THERE IS A GOOD HEAVY EXAMPLE IN THE NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN NEW YORK CITY THAT HAS THE TRIBAL DESIGNS SO PERHAPS THERE WAS A PERIOD OF OVERLAP BETWEEN WEAPON AND CEREMONIAL USE.

IS THERE ANY TRACE OF TRIBAL DESIGN ON YOUR CLUB?

Thanks for the warm welcome all.

Vandoo-there is none of the tribal design on the blade. All the examples in the Smithsonian have thedesign as well-including a couple very early ones. I think it is more normal to have the design. Mine just doesn't but it still appears quite old. I've really enjoyed your posts-keep it up. This is my only South American club but maybe I will post more of my Polynesian material soon...

KuKulzA28 · 4th February 2016, 04:51 AM

Houkura, that is a very nice club, even if not decorated... congrats!

Gavin Nugent · 4th February 2016, 05:49 AM

Congrats on such a fine example Houkura.

The type is its plain form is one I would be proud to display with my Amazon clubs.

Gavin

fireiceviper · 4th February 2016, 07:19 PM

Very nice club, don't worry about the markings some have it, some don't !

here is another example similar to yours!

http://www.nmai.si.edu/searchcollections/item.aspx?irn=209363&catids=1&cultxt=shipibo&src=1-1

Tim Simmons · 27th February 2016, 09:24 AM

This is my latest Amazon club. Origin Hixkaryana speaking peoples Para state Brazil and some related groups on the Brazil/Guyana border. I like to show how weapons of a size and form vary world wide so I show it with a big bully from the New Hebrides, Australia and Africa. Hixkaryana have much conflict with miners and loggers. Miner caught in Para Amazon. Like gold in Them there hills!

1998 report on violence in Para,
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/brazil/mining.htm

Tim Simmons · 1st April 2016, 05:29 PM

Guajajara club 98cm long so looks to be quite substantial. Nice handle but these pictures do not give you the best view of how it is woven. When I get it I can make better assessment.

Tim Simmons · 5th April 2016, 06:40 PM

While I wait for the arrival of this club towards the end of the month. I thought I would add this picture of the after affects of club fighting. The link puts the picture in context for those who might be interested in weapons and violence in the Amazon rain forest.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...of-male-honor/

kronckew · 5th April 2016, 07:05 PM

so, nothing much different than the rest of the world.

Tim Simmons · 14th April 2016, 01:39 PM

just adding my photos. It seems to have had considerable use.

Tim Simmons · 15th April 2016, 09:05 AM

Just received this nice Karaja sword club. Would split your skull and bones easily. Look good in a size grouping. I would like, no, need a large version.

colin henshaw · 15th April 2016, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Just received this nice Karaja sword club. Would split your skull and bones easily. Look good in a size grouping. I would like, no, need a large version.

Fine piece with a good form. Congratulations...

fireiceviper · 15th April 2016, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Just received this nice Karaja sword club. Would split your skull and bones easily. Look good in a size grouping. I would like, no, need a large version.

Very nice one Tim! i would love to have one with the threads on the sides! the club above it is a little bit later but! made of the right wood, and if i remember correctly cannot be exported anymore.

I also found a couple of things a nice things, a Tapirapé war club and a couple of bow and arrows from guyana/surinam. (pic 1 war club) (pic 2 bow and arrow 1) (pic 3 bow and arrow 2) (pic 4 and 5 bow and arrow 3)

Tim Simmons · 15th April 2016, 08:29 PM

I'm loving it. That's a really fine club. There's great stuff from the Amazon/ South America the trouble is finding it.

VANDOO · 26th May 2016, 10:57 PM

HERE IS A PICTURE OF A MACANA CLUB FROM GUIANA , BRAZIL. ITS NOT A VERY GOOD PICTURE BUT SHOWS AN EXAMPLE WITH A STONE CELT BLADE INSERTED.

fireiceviper · 8th August 2016, 07:39 PM

Found a nice spear, although i'm not sure of the exact origins. I found something similar in the Oldman catalogues, he describes it as Rio Napo. (227 cm)

Tim Simmons · 9th August 2016, 08:06 AM

Deep envy.

KuKulzA28 · 11th August 2016, 01:33 AM

Very nice aputu with an axe blade in it!

Really appreciate you guys posting these up, want one but vicariously it'll be for now

VANDOO · 24th August 2016, 10:29 PM

PICTURE #1. MACANA CLUB GUYANA OR BRAZIL.
#2. MACANA CLUB, 18TH. CENTURY, GUYANA, BRAZIL BORDER, 18.45 INCHES
OR 45.8 CM. LONG.
#3. MACANA , GUYANA OR BRAZIL
#4, #5. AND #6. IDENTIFIED AS A KAPAPO OR CARAJA CLUB, NORTH BRAZIL
, 41.5INCHES LONG.

Tim Simmons · 22nd September 2016, 05:04 PM

I am waiting for this Kayabi club. The picture is not the best but have been informed that all is sound and okay. It is a good size 112cm. More pictures on arrival.

VANDOO · 23rd September 2016, 10:54 PM

HERE IS A PALM WOOD SPEAR WITH A BONE TIP. IT IS SIMILAR TO SOME POSTED PREVIOUSLY ONE IS THE FIRST POST ON PAGE 2 OF THIS TOPIC.
#1. TWO METERS LONG, PALM WOOD, BONE POINT, FIBER WRAP WITH FEATHERS,BRAZIL, ARAGUAYA RIVER
TIM I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES OF THE NEW CLUB.

Tim Simmons · 16th October 2016, 09:25 AM

Update, not long now finally on the long journey to me. For the time being some interesting info on conflict in the early to mid 20th century.

https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/kaiabi/273

21st October 2015, 08:38 PM	#122
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	I know it's not really a weapon, but i thought i'd share I believe its from the Guyana/Surinam Area.. ( I also found another bow and arrow set, but haven't had time for pictures yet, but trust me its nice with feathers ) Attached Images

1st February 2016, 03:48 PM	#123
Houkura Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 5	Shipibo Hi Folks. First post here. I found this site researching a club I purchased several months ago and figured now that I am enrolled I would share some photos of the club. From the Smithsonian website I found the club is what they call a "Shipibo Sword Club". It's quite heavy and has very sharp edges. Could cut through about anything. Very nice patina. The unusual aspect is where there is usually a sort of woven "rattan" covering on the handle this club has a native made cotton cover-probably a replacement but still pretty early. There is an old storage label from a "Bekins Moving" (an American moving company) in Albuquerque and the seller said it was in a small museum in New Mexico in the 50's. I collect Polynesian clubs and objects and a little African so this is out of my wheelhouse but it was so cheap and looked quite nice so I pulled the trigger. Any info on this club welcome. I've really enjoyed this thread and others-thanks... Sorry the photos are a little dark! I'll post one first to see if I'm doing it right...

1st February 2016, 05:15 PM	#124
Houkura Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 5	Shipibo Club So-that was my first post here and I failed on the photo upload of course. Here are photos of the club... Sorry they are a bit dark-will do better next time. Incremental improvements... Attached Images

27th February 2016, 09:24 AM	#134
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	This is my latest Amazon club. Origin Hixkaryana speaking peoples Para state Brazil and some related groups on the Brazil/Guyana border. I like to show how weapons of a size and form vary world wide so I show it with a big bully from the New Hebrides, Australia and Africa. Hixkaryana have much conflict with miners and loggers. Miner caught in Para Amazon. Like gold in Them there hills! 1998 report on violence in Para, http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/brazil/mining.htm Attached Images

1st April 2016, 05:29 PM	#135
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	Guajajara club 98cm long so looks to be quite substantial. Nice handle but these pictures do not give you the best view of how it is woven. When I get it I can make better assessment. Attached Images

27th August 2015, 07:46 PM	#121
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE SMALL DANCE SPEAR IS FAIRLY RECENT AND WAS MADE USING MODERN TOOLS POSSIBLY FOR TRIBAL CEREMONIES BUT LIKELY FOR SALE TO TOURISTS. ITS ACTUALLY WELL MADE FOR A SOUVENIR AND DOES HAVE SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL TRIBAL DESIGN I ASSOCIATE WITH THE KAXINAWA TRIBE. THERE IS A PICTURE OF SOME MORE OF THE TRIBES PEOPLE AND WEAPONS EARLIER IN THIS POST. I COULD BE WRONG AS OTHER TRIBES MAY MAKE THIS FORM OF SPEAR BUT SO FAR THE ONLY EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WERE FROM THIS TRIBE, SO ITS A GOOD PLACE TO START LOOKING.

1st February 2016, 06:45 PM	#125
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	Would like to see it but no pics so far.

2nd February 2016, 08:41 AM	#126
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,190	i see the pics. nice club. i like it...

2nd February 2016, 07:56 PM	#128
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE FORUM. A VERY NICE OLD EXAMPLE. MY TWO SHIPIBO CLUBS EARLY IN THIS POST WERE OF A LIGHTER SOFTER WOOD AND HAVE THE TRADITIONAL SHIPIBO TRIBAL DESIGNS ON THE BLADES. I SUSPECT MY TWO ARE MORE FOR DANCE , PRESENTATION OR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FIGHTING. THERE IS A GOOD HEAVY EXAMPLE IN THE NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN NEW YORK CITY THAT HAS THE TRIBAL DESIGNS SO PERHAPS THERE WAS A PERIOD OF OVERLAP BETWEEN WEAPON AND CEREMONIAL USE. IS THERE ANY TRACE OF TRIBAL DESIGN ON YOUR CLUB?

2nd February 2016, 07:59 PM	#129
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	Nice, got some age . I want one.

4th February 2016, 04:51 AM	#131
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Houkura, that is a very nice club, even if not decorated... congrats!

4th February 2016, 05:49 AM	#132
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Congrats on such a fine example Houkura. The type is its plain form is one I would be proud to display with my Amazon clubs. Gavin

4th February 2016, 07:19 PM	#133
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	Very nice club, don't worry about the markings some have it, some don't ! here is another example similar to yours! http://www.nmai.si.edu/searchcollections/item.aspx?irn=209363&catids=1&cultxt=shipibo&src=1-1

5th April 2016, 06:40 PM	#136
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	While I wait for the arrival of this club towards the end of the month. I thought I would add this picture of the after affects of club fighting. The link puts the picture in context for those who might be interested in weapons and violence in the Amazon rain forest. http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...of-male-honor/ Attached Images

5th April 2016, 07:05 PM	#137
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,190	so, nothing much different than the rest of the world.

14th April 2016, 01:39 PM	#138
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	just adding my photos. It seems to have had considerable use. Attached Images

15th April 2016, 09:05 AM	#139
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	Karaja Just received this nice Karaja sword club. Would split your skull and bones easily. Look good in a size grouping. I would like, no, need a large version. Attached Images

15th April 2016, 08:29 PM	#142
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	I'm loving it. That's a really fine club. There's great stuff from the Amazon/ South America the trouble is finding it.

26th May 2016, 10:57 PM	#143
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS A PICTURE OF A MACANA CLUB FROM GUIANA , BRAZIL. ITS NOT A VERY GOOD PICTURE BUT SHOWS AN EXAMPLE WITH A STONE CELT BLADE INSERTED. Attached Images

8th August 2016, 07:39 PM	#144
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	Found a nice spear, although i'm not sure of the exact origins. I found something similar in the Oldman catalogues, he describes it as Rio Napo. (227 cm) Attached Images

9th August 2016, 08:06 AM	#145
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	Deep envy.

11th August 2016, 01:33 AM	#146
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Very nice aputu with an axe blade in it! Really appreciate you guys posting these up, want one but vicariously it'll be for now

24th August 2016, 10:29 PM	#147
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PICTURE #1. MACANA CLUB GUYANA OR BRAZIL. #2. MACANA CLUB, 18TH. CENTURY, GUYANA, BRAZIL BORDER, 18.45 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG. #3. MACANA , GUYANA OR BRAZIL #4, #5. AND #6. IDENTIFIED AS A KAPAPO OR CARAJA CLUB, NORTH BRAZIL , 41.5INCHES LONG. Attached Images

22nd September 2016, 05:04 PM	#148
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	I am waiting for this Kayabi club. The picture is not the best but have been informed that all is sound and okay. It is a good size 112cm. More pictures on arrival. Attached Images

23rd September 2016, 10:54 PM	#149
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS A PALM WOOD SPEAR WITH A BONE TIP. IT IS SIMILAR TO SOME POSTED PREVIOUSLY ONE IS THE FIRST POST ON PAGE 2 OF THIS TOPIC. #1. TWO METERS LONG, PALM WOOD, BONE POINT, FIBER WRAP WITH FEATHERS,BRAZIL, ARAGUAYA RIVER TIM I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES OF THE NEW CLUB. Attached Images

16th October 2016, 09:25 AM	#150
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	Update, not long now finally on the long journey to me. For the time being some interesting info on conflict in the early to mid 20th century. https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/kaiabi/273 Last edited by Tim Simmons; 16th October 2016 at 09:37 AM.

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