shamshir for comment and translation

HUSAR · 15th February 2010, 07:24 PM

hello I have been away from forum and collecting for some time but trying to come back

here is a sword which i have seen recently, any opinions? maybe somebody can translate the meaning of the inscriptions? the blade is mid/low pattern wootz, shame probably all fittings low grade silver.
best
Husar

fernando · 17th February 2010, 07:22 PM

Nice piece, Damian.
Is the grip made of horn?
Wonder why the experts don't have a say in the translation

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Fernando

HUSAR · 17th February 2010, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Nice piece, Damian.
Is the grip made of horn?
Wonder why the experts don't have a say in the translation

.
Fernando

Hi Fernando Yes grip is made of horn

Dom · 18th February 2010, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Wonder why the experts don't have a say in the translation

.
Fernando

sorry, but my "private" expert is for some weeks out of home ... and country

either I 've chance to contact her in her native country for help,
or I'm force to wait her coming back home

any way if it's in Arabic you'll get it

but might be soonest if some one else will do before ??

à +

Dom

ward · 18th February 2010, 10:48 PM

The top line in the cartouche under the guard reads, Assistance from Allah and vicrtory is near. Put some closeups, can't make anything out of the rest.

Ward

Dom · 19th February 2010, 02:52 AM

Hi "Husar"
first comments,
- reasonably, we might consider your shamshir as Egyptian

- the swordsmith, in his mark, gave his title, typically Egyptian

- pity that some inlay are erased, or under the guard ... due to that, the translation is partly done

the rectangular cartouche;
1st lign;
qari Fath Allah menne Nasr either Victory from God and an Imminent Conquest
2nd lign;
momenime all ????? (under the guard) either ????? the Beleivers
3rd lign;
sorry, but didn't found the sens of the sentence, no translation

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Dom

Dom · 19th February 2010, 03:05 AM

now, the explanation about the affirmation of the sword provenance; Egypt

the second cartouche is the mark of the swordsmith

1st lign;
too much damages with the inlay, no translation ... sorry

2nd lign;
Osta al Amal either made by the "Master" (Osta, is an Egyptian title, title not used by other countries)
3rd lign;
Hassan (not easy to read it ...

)
4th lign;
Mustafa
5th lign;
Allah

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Dom

ward · 19th February 2010, 03:45 AM

It's probably Take the glad news to the belivers.
Maybe in Egyptian they say Osta, everywhere else it's Usta for master

HUSAR · 13th March 2010, 01:32 PM

hello and thank you very much for help in translation!!! always nice to know what is written on the blade

I just posted nice pulwar with inscribed blade I hope this time you will be able to translate it as well

15th February 2010, 07:24 PM	#1
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	shamshir for comment and translation hello I have been away from forum and collecting for some time but trying to come back here is a sword which i have seen recently, any opinions? maybe somebody can translate the meaning of the inscriptions? the blade is mid/low pattern wootz, shame probably all fittings low grade silver. best Husar Attached Images

19th February 2010, 02:52 AM	#6
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi "Husar" first comments, - reasonably, we might consider your shamshir as Egyptian - the swordsmith, in his mark, gave his title, typically Egyptian - pity that some inlay are erased, or under the guard ... due to that, the translation is partly done the rectangular cartouche; 1st lign; qari Fath Allah menne Nasr either Victory from God and an Imminent Conquest 2nd lign; momenime all ????? (under the guard) either ????? the Beleivers 3rd lign; sorry, but didn't found the sens of the sentence, no translation à + Dom Attached Images

19th February 2010, 03:05 AM	#7
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	now, the explanation about the affirmation of the sword provenance; Egypt the second cartouche is the mark of the swordsmith 1st lign; too much damages with the inlay, no translation ... sorry 2nd lign; Osta al Amal either made by the "Master" (Osta, is an Egyptian title, title not used by other countries) 3rd lign; Hassan (not easy to read it ... ) 4th lign; Mustafa 5th lign; Allah à + Dom Attached Images

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17th February 2010, 07:22 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Nice piece, Damian. Is the grip made of horn? Wonder why the experts don't have a say in the translation . Fernando

18th February 2010, 10:48 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	The top line in the cartouche under the guard reads, Assistance from Allah and vicrtory is near. Put some closeups, can't make anything out of the rest. Ward

19th February 2010, 03:45 AM	#8
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	It's probably Take the glad news to the belivers. Maybe in Egyptian they say Osta, everywhere else it's Usta for master

13th March 2010, 01:32 PM	#9
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	hello and thank you very much for help in translation!!! always nice to know what is written on the blade I just posted nice pulwar with inscribed blade I hope this time you will be able to translate it as well