Pls comment on this Yataghan

Hatumesh · 9th July 2009, 01:11 PM

Hello all,
Please comment and give some information on this piece.
Thanks you.

Hatumesh · 16th July 2009, 02:15 PM

Zifir,
You said that with a clear picture you might be able to translate the inscription on this Yataghan. Here are better photos (I hope).
Thanks a lot.
Gadi.

Valjhun · 16th July 2009, 10:23 PM

Nice piece. old repair on the handle and very nice silverwork on scabbard. Not my style, but still nice.

ariel · 29th December 2009, 07:56 PM

Repair, schmepear...
It is dated 1219 =1804. We should all look that good at 205 :-)

Zifir · 4th January 2010, 05:55 PM

Sorry Hatumesh,
I have been looking at the inscription for some time, I could not even make a single word out of it. I saw one or two similar yatağans with the same type of engraved inscriptions, I could not read them either.

Yannis · 11th January 2010, 09:43 AM

I believe that this is a composite piece (not old repairs). It has old a new parts. I have seen similar coming from Bulgaria last years but it can be made anywhere there are a lot pieces from old yataghans

Dom · 11th January 2010, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

Sorry Hatumesh,
I have been looking at the inscription for some time, I could not even make a single word out of it.(

your deception it's not complet

because, what "ariel" though to be a date, in fact it's
just an illegible writting, my translater is FORMAL

I got a strong argumentation with her about that subject,
and she refuse to modify her judgement
I was sharing "areil" point of view ...

conclusion;
- it's not writting in Turkish
- it's not writting in Arabic

it's what ?? Farsi ?? ... Urdu ?

(joke)

à +

Dom

Emanuel · 12th January 2010, 12:59 AM

Here is a yataghan with what appears to be a blade from the same workshop - notice the very similar decoration http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=403

Emanuel

Dom · 12th January 2010, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel

Here is a yataghan with what appears to be a blade from the same workshop - notice the very similar decoration http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=403

Emanuel

Hi
again, it's not Arabic

à +

Dom

ariel · 12th January 2010, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanuel

Here is a yataghan with what appears to be a blade from the same workshop - notice the very similar decoration http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=403

Emanuel

I am not sure it is the same workshop: this decoration is pretty standard. If one looks in the Astvatsaturyan's book, there are at least 10-15 virtually identical examples.

Yannis · 12th January 2010, 07:40 AM

The un-readable script is not necessary a minus. It could be plus. I have read that there were in ottoman era some unsuccessful tries to write balkan languages (greek, bulgarian etc) with arabic letters. There was also the opposite. Turkish words with greek letters.
It is common also to see unreadable scripts because the smith did know how to write, he was just copied another blade or a piece of paper

Hotspur · 12th January 2010, 03:01 PM

The round mark with a short tail has been mentioned to me as a more general mark with the meaning "Ya Ali" and can be found on both blades and apparently firearms as well. I would appreciate more background on that myself, as I have an yataghan with the mark and place the blades and arms with the ya ali as Turkish. In some further reading, the phrase meant as a plea to bravery or strength. So, apparently not the mark of one maker but more of a general statement. In pursuing mine, I had concluded it to be dated roughly 1800 and of northern Turkey in origin.

Below is my blade.

Cheers

GC

Dom · 12th January 2010, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotspur

The round mark with a short tail has been mentioned to me as a more general mark with the meaning "Ya Ali"

Hi "Hotspur"
frankly sorry, if what you are going to read will disappoints you
but in the circle, there's only one (1) word : ALI ... no more

Best regards

à +

Dom

Zifir · 13th January 2010, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

your deception it's not complet

because, what "ariel" though to be a date, in fact it's
just an illegible writting, my translater is FORMAL

I got a strong argumentation with her about that subject,
and she refuse to modify her judgement
I was sharing "areil" point of view ...

conclusion;
- it's not writting in Turkish
- it's not writting in Arabic

it's what ?? Farsi ?? ... Urdu ?

(joke)

à +

Dom

I am not definitely sure that the inscription is not Turkish, only I was unable to read it. There is still possiblity that it may be Turkish.

Hotspur · 13th January 2010, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi "Hotspur"
frankly sorry, if what you are going to read will disappoints you
but in the circle, there's only one (1) word : ALI ... no more

Best regards

à +

Dom

Hi Dom,

I am not dissapointed at all except to maybe point out that it was mentioned me as a meaning for the mark on arms, not a literal translation of the character itself. Also mentioned here, as a good many that have been listed with this mark and have done so to inticate it as the maker of the blade and not the purpose of the mark.

Cheers

Glen C

Yannis · 13th January 2010, 09:14 AM

I used the damn dictionary. The word is illegible not un-readable

But I know I have your sympathy

9th July 2009, 01:11 PM	#1
Hatumesh Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 24	Pls comment on this Yataghan Hello all, Please comment and give some information on this piece. Thanks you. Attached Images

16th July 2009, 02:15 PM	#2
Hatumesh Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 24	Zifir, You said that with a clear picture you might be able to translate the inscription on this Yataghan. Here are better photos (I hope). Thanks a lot. Gadi. Attached Images

12th January 2010, 03:01 PM	#12
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 498	The round mark with a short tail has been mentioned to me as a more general mark with the meaning "Ya Ali" and can be found on both blades and apparently firearms as well. I would appreciate more background on that myself, as I have an yataghan with the mark and place the blades and arms with the ya ali as Turkish. In some further reading, the phrase meant as a plea to bravery or strength. So, apparently not the mark of one maker but more of a general statement. In pursuing mine, I had concluded it to be dated roughly 1800 and of northern Turkey in origin. Below is my blade. Cheers GC Attached Images

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16th July 2009, 10:23 PM	#3
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Nice piece. old repair on the handle and very nice silverwork on scabbard. Not my style, but still nice.

29th December 2009, 07:56 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Repair, schmepear... It is dated 1219 =1804. We should all look that good at 205 :-)

4th January 2010, 05:55 PM	#5
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Sorry Hatumesh, I have been looking at the inscription for some time, I could not even make a single word out of it. I saw one or two similar yatağans with the same type of engraved inscriptions, I could not read them either.

11th January 2010, 09:43 AM	#6
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	I believe that this is a composite piece (not old repairs). It has old a new parts. I have seen similar coming from Bulgaria last years but it can be made anywhere there are a lot pieces from old yataghans

12th January 2010, 12:59 AM	#8
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Here is a yataghan with what appears to be a blade from the same workshop - notice the very similar decoration http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=403 Emanuel

12th January 2010, 07:40 AM	#11
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	The un-readable script is not necessary a minus. It could be plus. I have read that there were in ottoman era some unsuccessful tries to write balkan languages (greek, bulgarian etc) with arabic letters. There was also the opposite. Turkish words with greek letters. It is common also to see unreadable scripts because the smith did know how to write, he was just copied another blade or a piece of paper

13th January 2010, 09:14 AM	#16
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	I used the damn dictionary. The word is illegible not un-readable But I know I have your sympathy