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PenangsangII · 13th August 2009, 04:16 AM

I agree.... there's no such thing as luk satu....... and i believe it's just a recently concocted terminology......

Alan, do you think that the keris had undergone reshaping works / besutan esp at the sorsoran, to be precise, reshaping the worn out blade to display perfect ri pandan and other fret works?

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2009, 05:56 AM

I don't know.

The sorsoran does look a bit clumsy and rigid, but whether this is the maker's inadequacy, or whether it is evidence of somebody having a bit of a fiddle, I wouldn't like to say, especially from a photo.

mykeris · 13th August 2009, 06:41 AM

Hi David, I ll comeback to our question later. Regards, Mykeris.

PenangsangII · 13th August 2009, 07:13 AM

Thanks for uploading the clearer picture of the fret works, mykeris.

looking at the blade as whole, I think it is out of proportion, especially at the sorsoran..... it doesnt widen harmoniously as a keris blade (dapur pandai saras) should be...... since this blade is quite old and dressed in Tajong hulu and sheath, I dont think it's due to the empu's inadequacy - rather, my theory is, somebody may have fiddled the blade to look good (some times to fetch a higher price).... But of course, I am not too sure about this

mykeris · 13th August 2009, 02:53 PM

Thanks for all your comments. Through close magnifying, the hilt looks to me so natural to show that the nose is not a replacement. However, it looks so odd when the carving stops unfinished and thats raised many questions. Probably, its a trend or the carver's trade mark or etc...Bluerf, you raised strong points and you are so observant, keep it up friend, ...I always overlooked on details.

As for the blade, I totally agree with Alan but will leave it to the Universe to decide. p/s: I will be posting another one for your viewing pleasure. Regards, Mykeris.

BluErf · 14th August 2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Thanks for all your comments. Through close magnifying, the hilt looks to me so natural to show that the nose is not a replacement. However, it looks so odd when the carving stops unfinished and thats raised many questions. Probably, its a trend or the carver's trade mark or etc...Bluerf, you raised strong points and you are so observant, keep it up friend, ...I always overlooked on details.

As for the blade, I totally agree with Alan but will leave it to the Universe to decide. p/s: I will be posting another one for your viewing pleasure. Regards, Mykeris.

Hi Mykeris,

The tajong hilt's nose has a metal sleeve? It seems so from the last 2 pics you have posted. I can't tell whether the nose is a replacement for sure, but just do note that sometimes, some of these old repairs are so perfectly fitted, that one can hardly notice! But of course, I'm not doubting your observation, especially with the aid of a magnifying glass.

BluErf · 14th August 2009, 04:57 PM

Oh wait a minute, its a different tajong you're showing us. This one's rougher compared to the 1st one you showed us.

13th August 2009, 06:41 AM	#3
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Additional pics of blade. Hi David, I ll comeback to our question later. Regards, Mykeris. Attached Images

13th August 2009, 02:53 PM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks for your comments. Thanks for all your comments. Through close magnifying, the hilt looks to me so natural to show that the nose is not a replacement. However, it looks so odd when the carving stops unfinished and thats raised many questions. Probably, its a trend or the carver's trade mark or etc...Bluerf, you raised strong points and you are so observant, keep it up friend, ...I always overlooked on details. As for the blade, I totally agree with Alan but will leave it to the Universe to decide. p/s: I will be posting another one for your viewing pleasure. Regards, Mykeris.

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13th August 2009, 04:16 AM	#1
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I agree.... there's no such thing as luk satu....... and i believe it's just a recently concocted terminology...... Alan, do you think that the keris had undergone reshaping works / besutan esp at the sorsoran, to be precise, reshaping the worn out blade to display perfect ri pandan and other fret works?

13th August 2009, 05:56 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	I don't know. The sorsoran does look a bit clumsy and rigid, but whether this is the maker's inadequacy, or whether it is evidence of somebody having a bit of a fiddle, I wouldn't like to say, especially from a photo.

13th August 2009, 07:13 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Thanks for uploading the clearer picture of the fret works, mykeris. looking at the blade as whole, I think it is out of proportion, especially at the sorsoran..... it doesnt widen harmoniously as a keris blade (dapur pandai saras) should be...... since this blade is quite old and dressed in Tajong hulu and sheath, I dont think it's due to the empu's inadequacy - rather, my theory is, somebody may have fiddled the blade to look good (some times to fetch a higher price).... But of course, I am not too sure about this

14th August 2009, 04:57 PM	#7
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh wait a minute, its a different tajong you're showing us. This one's rougher compared to the 1st one you showed us.