Rare Pilipino Swords....

Ian · 2nd May 2005, 05:43 AM

Spunjer:

You're right to ask how common this particular form of deity hilt might be. I really don't know if this style is common. What I meant to say was that it is a deity hilt of the Panay/Negros form, which is a common finding on these older Visayan tenegre.

Ian.

tom hyle · 2nd May 2005, 02:45 PM

I think it's a version of a zoomorphic/deity pommel that is common (the nose horn guy; seen some dispute as to who he is...); this particular form of the stylization is not common to my experience, but the subject is not particularly unusual. There are at least 3 standardized stylizations that, at least to me, all seem to be this same guy.

Conogre · 5th May 2005, 10:43 AM

"Guy"?
Once again, sexism rears its ugly head (no pun intended).
Sorry, but I couldn't resist...while female deities/fetishes are sometimes prominent in African, Indian items and a few Indonesian pieces, I can't think of any in the Muslim tradition or those cultures closely associated with same.
Mike

tom hyle · 5th May 2005, 11:38 AM

These characters seem animistic and related to those used by other nearby peoples, and are probably pre-Islamic and pre-Christian in the area, I would think. Still, I've only heard any of these pommel deities referred to as male, and that could for all I know be a product of the observing culture, or of the observed. Hmmmm................

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2nd May 2005, 05:43 AM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,646	Spunjer: You're right to ask how common this particular form of deity hilt might be. I really don't know if this style is common. What I meant to say was that it is a deity hilt of the Panay/Negros form, which is a common finding on these older Visayan tenegre. Ian.

2nd May 2005, 02:45 PM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I think it's a version of a zoomorphic/deity pommel that is common (the nose horn guy; seen some dispute as to who he is...); this particular form of the stylization is not common to my experience, but the subject is not particularly unusual. There are at least 3 standardized stylizations that, at least to me, all seem to be this same guy.

5th May 2005, 10:43 AM	#3
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	"Guy"? Once again, sexism rears its ugly head (no pun intended). Sorry, but I couldn't resist...while female deities/fetishes are sometimes prominent in African, Indian items and a few Indonesian pieces, I can't think of any in the Muslim tradition or those cultures closely associated with same. Mike

5th May 2005, 11:38 AM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	These characters seem animistic and related to those used by other nearby peoples, and are probably pre-Islamic and pre-Christian in the area, I would think. Still, I've only heard any of these pommel deities referred to as male, and that could for all I know be a product of the observing culture, or of the observed. Hmmmm................