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I don't know if it is unusual, but it is a beautiful example of modern keris art. Is the border actually a second pamor (wengkon) or is this part of the main pamor?
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About pamor...really i don't know ![]() About the age the seller, a very nice (and very famous) Yogya man that i know from 25 years told me this keris was made before the last II° war. |
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Nice example Marco.
In your close-up of the sorsoran the kembang kacang looks very elephant-like! I think I even see an elephant's eye . ![]() ![]() |
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....I think I even see an elephant's eye .
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Quite unusual methodolgy used to produce this pamor; not so unique in this day and age, but very certainly exceptional--- very exceptional--- for the PBX era and prior. Whoever made this was clearly an immensely talented pattern welder, and well before his time.
Yes David, it is a wengkon, created by a layer of contrasting mlumah material between the miring layer and the slorok. |
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Very nice worked keris and beautiful sarung.
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I also love the wengkon. |
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Thanks all for appreciations.
Ferrylaki you are right. Pamor seems a little to Kupu Tarung . (About kupu tarung : in my experience is very difficult to find it....from some years i'm looking one opamor like this....but nothing good! ![]() ![]() |
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it seem we have the same taste on this kupu tarung pamor. I've been wondering if I 'm lucky enough to find a keris with kupu tarung pamor. It's a hard to find |
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Hello Marco,
In my opinion, the pamor of this blade is not Kupu Tarung (see Pamoratlas for instance). I have my own idea (see pictures 11A and 16B in my book) but I leave to you guys to determine which pamor it is... Cheers Jean |
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Also in Jawa Keris book there is a nice pic (i think the best detailed) of this pamor. I remember in the Forum there is a (little ![]() I think you are right but when the seller told me kupu tarung i really saw inside some butterflies flying one near the other ![]() |
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It is a shame but I don't know how to attach pictures ![]() Cheers Jean |
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Hello Jean,
Welcome to the forum! Did you hit the upload button in the lower right corner after browsing to the respective file(s) to be attached? Actually, it is preferable to upload each pic separately (rather than doing several at once) since this preserves their order. BTW, there is a maximum width (1000 pixels?) and height (1280 pixels) as well as maximum size (200 Kb) constraint for pics. I've sporadically lost uploaded pics by further working on posts like doing previews, etc. Thus, I prefer to finish the text first, preview it, and, as a last step, upload pics (wait till each upload is complete and then close the pop-up window), verify wether they are shown on the main reply window, and finally hit the submit button... In case this doesn't help, shoot me an email or PM and I'll try to walk you through the pics posting procedure. Regards, Kai |
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Thanks for stepping up Kai. I am currently vactioning in Nova Scotia so i am a little bit slow in response time. Jean, if you have further questions about uploading photos please feel free to ask.
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This is a keris with a similar pamor in my collection, I have classified it as Ganggeng Kanyut? Best regards Jean |
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Is this pamor Kupu Tarung? ![]() Best regards Jean |
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Dear Ganjawulung
YES ![]() A very beautiful pamor ...and a very nice kris and complete sarong ![]() |
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Is it? But two years ago, I saw a kupu tarung -- much beautiful than this in Yogyakarta. According to the owner, it was a "kaping piton" (HB VII) kupu tarung, straight blade, with a very neat kupu tarung pamor. I suggested you to took (buy) it, in front of the owner, but you chose to take the "walang sinundukan"... Why?
About one month later, that beautiful kupu tarung was bought by someone from Jakarta -- twice the price the former owner offered to you. Do you remember that beautiful kupu tarung in Yogyakartan branggah warangka? Any way, your "ron genduru" is attractive too. You may regard the "lar gangsir" leaves inside the ron gendhuru.... GANJAWULUNG |
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Dear estemed members,
The thread name on this is Ron Gendhuru, we have however not seen a Ron Genduru pamor in the thread. In lieu of that I have attached some photos of one of my Solo pieces, reflecting what is normally understood to be the Ron Genduru pamor. This just so members that are not familiar with the pamor can see what it looks like. Thank You, |
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Thanks Erik for posting this.
Obviously the original blade has multiple pamor patterns. One seems to be wengkon. What pamor do you think the other one is that resembles Ron Gendhuru? |
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Just for complementary to Erik's post, here are illustration on some type of pamors for comparison. It is from Mr Haryono Guritno's book "Keris Jawa"...
(1) Ron Gendhuru -- or Ron Kendhuru, (2) Ron Jagung, Mayang Mekar, Ron Gendhuru Sinebit, (3) Sekar Glagah, Ron Gendhuru Sinebit, Bulu Ayam, (4) Pari Sawuli, Sekar Glagah, Kupu Tarung, Lar Gangsir... GANJAWULUNG |
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Good question David,
At first glance and from a distance the blade look like a Ron Genduru, but the close ups show a lot of things going on inside the blade. In my post I indicated my photos reflected what is normally thought of as the Ron Genduru pamor, which is supposed to be based on the Genduru leaves also called caryoto mitis and clumping fish tail palm. The one that resembles Ron Genduru do not follow the lines of the leaf. I see wengkon, and as ganjawulung noted lar gangsir, I also see a bit of Ron genduru and a bit of mayang mekar, with other words there are an awful lot going on in the blade, but frankly, I happens to like it. I prefer not to elaborate any further on this, as when it come to attaching names to pamor and dapur as well, they can all be interpreted in many different ways and some empu had different ideas as to what a named pamor should look like, and the control of the pamor by the empu did certainly impact the finished product. |
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Hi gentlemen,
A keris with pamor Ron Genduru wengkon from my collection. Best regards Jean |
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