Pakem and Keris

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The taming sari legend is Malay, I'm talking Jawa.

A legend.

Do we know the earliest version of this legend?

Yes, it refers to events which supposedly took place in the 15th century, but when did the legend arise? Do we know when it first appeared? Do we know the original version? Do we know how it developed? Any inscribed plates, stone inscriptions, lontars?

I am not very well versed in Malay folk beliefs, but my bet is that the taming sari legend probably came into being around the beginning of the 19th century, maybe even later.

Quite frankly, I would prefer to disregard this type of discussion. I do not find it very enlightening , nor productive.

Yes , i realize this is a Malay legend. Of course, according to the legend Taming Sari was a keris from the Javanese kingdom of Mojopahit so it must of adhered to the pakem of that kingdom.
Alan, i am not sure what you mean exactly by "this type of discussion". You brought the concept of "magical object" vs "power object" into this discussion. I am merely following that thread and trying to understand when the concept of the keris as a "magical object" developed. I do realize this is a tangent from the original topic, but personally i would find such information very enlightening and productive.