PARANG PANDIT

Sajen · 28th April 2009, 04:50 PM

Hello Michael,

great finds. Unfortunately I don't have a Pandat to show!

sajen

VVV · 28th April 2009, 07:50 PM

Unfortunately I don't have any answers to your questions and Dajak has left the forum.
It clearly is a no-thrusting-chopping-only-weapon so I don't think that there ever was a functional tip.
I double-checked the scabbard length and measured it inside. It fits perfectly.
So I assume it's a prestige thing?
Like mine is longer than yours...

Michael

asomotif · 28th April 2009, 11:33 PM

Hello Michael,

Nice examples.
I like the theory by Maurice :

PHP Code:


			
larger scabbard is that you have more of those nice carvings

But could there be Taiwan/Paiwan influences on the scabbard shape / length ?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=paiwan

Best regards,
Willem

fearn · 29th April 2009, 04:50 AM

Hi Willem,

When you compare the baiwan and the dayak blades, I think you might be seeing echoes of a shared ancestral culture.

The archeologists and linguisted showed that the ancestral Indonesian/Polynesian culture originated in Taiwan, spread south through Indonesia, then west along the coasts into Polynesia.

These cultures share motifs of canoes, headhunting, and similar. One can see the canoe prow both in the scabbards and in the tips of some of the swords. I suspect it's supposed to be the silhouette of a war canoe in all of these blades, although I'm not sure exactly why.

As for the bifurcated tip, I'd guess it's supposed to be something like a crocodile mouth, but I'm not sure.

Still, the pandit's definitely one of the 10 weirdest blades on the planet, and I'd love to know what it's like to hit something with it. All that square-edged metal in the handle might be painful.

F

migueldiaz · 29th April 2009, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

As for the bifurcated tip, I'd guess it's supposed to be something like a crocodile mouth, but I'm not sure.

Hi Fearn. If they like the Moros and other Phil. ethnic groups venerated also the croc, then that must be it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

Still, the pandit's definitely one of the 10 weirdest blades on the planet ...

And what would be the other nine?

migueldiaz · 29th April 2009, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Unfortunately I don't have any answers to your questions and Dajak has left the forum.
It clearly is a no-thrusting-chopping-only-weapon so I don't think that there ever was a functional tip.
I double-checked the scabbard length and measured it inside. It fits perfectly.
So I assume it's a prestige thing?
Like mine is longer than yours...

Michael

Thanks Michael for the comments.

For a while, I thought we have here a possible lead on the origin of the similarly bifurcated blade tip of the kampilan.

Thanks just the same for the response!

Maurice · 29th April 2009, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

I double-checked the scabbard length and measured it inside. It fits perfectly.
So I assume it's a prestige thing?
Like mine is longer than yours...

Michael

So it is just as my purse.
I have a very large purse (like the mine is bigger as yours thing), but don't look into it.
By the way it is made by onionleather. Every time when I look in it I have to cry...

Gavin Nugent · 29th April 2009, 08:08 PM

Gents, this is one thread I am finding very interesting.

Would this image I have presented fall into the same area of discussion or is it a totally different animal?

Gav

VVV · 29th April 2009, 09:19 PM

Gav,

Yours is neither a Pandat nor a Land Dayak weapon.
However it's a gorgeous example of a Sadap of the neighbouring Melanau tribe.
Please share more pictures of it, maybe in a separate thread.

Michael

kai · 30th April 2009, 12:32 AM

Congrats, Michael, those are great examples!

Regards,
Kai

Gavin Nugent · 30th April 2009, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Gav,

Yours is neither a Pandat nor a Land Dayak weapon.
However it's a gorgeous example of a Sadap of the neighbouring Melanau tribe.
Please share more pictures of it, maybe in a separate thread.

Michael

Hi Michael,

I'd love to share more of it for all to see but it is for sale and I believe it is a breach of forum protocols to openly discuss items for sale. I will be more than happy to engage in private correspondence about this wonderful piece and supply images to all interested parties. I knew it was quite unusual and what I consider very rare but I honestly thought it was just a gorgeous version of the Land Dayak weapon and I thought to offer it up as comparison.

thanks

Gav

VVV · 30th April 2009, 07:25 AM

Hi Gav,

Maybe you can share more pictures after it has been sold?

Michael

Mytribalworld · 9th May 2009, 03:51 PM

[QUOTE=VVV]Unfortunately I don't have any answers to your questions and Dajak has left the forum.

( but is sometimes still watching, isn't it Ben?)

28th April 2009, 11:33 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Hello Michael, Nice examples. I like the theory by Maurice : PHP Code: `larger scabbard is that you have more of those nice carvings` But could there be Taiwan/Paiwan influences on the scabbard shape / length ? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=paiwan Best regards, Willem

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28th April 2009, 04:50 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hello Michael, great finds. Unfortunately I don't have a Pandat to show! sajen

28th April 2009, 07:50 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Unfortunately I don't have any answers to your questions and Dajak has left the forum. It clearly is a no-thrusting-chopping-only-weapon so I don't think that there ever was a functional tip. I double-checked the scabbard length and measured it inside. It fits perfectly. So I assume it's a prestige thing? Like mine is longer than yours... Michael

29th April 2009, 04:50 AM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Willem, When you compare the baiwan and the dayak blades, I think you might be seeing echoes of a shared ancestral culture. The archeologists and linguisted showed that the ancestral Indonesian/Polynesian culture originated in Taiwan, spread south through Indonesia, then west along the coasts into Polynesia. These cultures share motifs of canoes, headhunting, and similar. One can see the canoe prow both in the scabbards and in the tips of some of the swords. I suspect it's supposed to be the silhouette of a war canoe in all of these blades, although I'm not sure exactly why. As for the bifurcated tip, I'd guess it's supposed to be something like a crocodile mouth, but I'm not sure. Still, the pandit's definitely one of the 10 weirdest blades on the planet, and I'd love to know what it's like to hit something with it. All that square-edged metal in the handle might be painful. F

29th April 2009, 09:19 PM	#9
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Gav, Yours is neither a Pandat nor a Land Dayak weapon. However it's a gorgeous example of a Sadap of the neighbouring Melanau tribe. Please share more pictures of it, maybe in a separate thread. Michael

30th April 2009, 12:32 AM	#10
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Congrats, Michael, those are great examples! Regards, Kai

30th April 2009, 07:25 AM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Gav, Maybe you can share more pictures after it has been sold? Michael

9th May 2009, 03:51 PM	#13
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	[QUOTE=VVV]Unfortunately I don't have any answers to your questions and Dajak has left the forum. ( but is sometimes still watching, isn't it Ben?)