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			PenangsangII, To my knowledge I dont think we know each other.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	Some very rare keris are said to have powerful isi, but even then the isi is a part of the owner or maker of the keris. I however was not talking about the action of the isi when the keris is pointed at an attacker, rather I was talking about the action of the owner to defend himself with the knowledge of the keris and its relation to the eight point jurus attacks ie keris used to defend without contact (I cant say anything more on this).  | 
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