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HUSAR · 18th September 2008, 07:25 AM

hi Dom!
thanks for the post, can you translate those scripts??? or symbols?
best
Husar

Dom · 18th September 2008, 04:00 PM

sorry, impossible to translate
capacities of my translator are "just" Arabic ... nobody 's perfect

but anyway, her ... She is perfect ... as principle

à +

Dom

rand · 24th September 2008, 12:04 AM

Booty from Adoni stored at Bikaner Armory had bar maces 64cm long with a very similar construction, pictured in "The Arts of the Muslim Knight" page 237.

rand

ward · 24th September 2008, 12:19 AM

Not in my copy French or English.

rand · 24th September 2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ward

Not in my copy French or English.

Thats interesting, just recieved a copy of "The Arts of the Muslim Knight", The Furusiyya Art Foundation Collection by Bashir Mohamed, is 416 pages, the second half of the book is mostly Mughal arms and on page 257, number 247 it shows hour iron maces that are similar except they have a slight curve near the head of the mace.

Was disappointed not to see more Mamluk arms shown in the book as that was the main theme for the exhibit and the collection has more examples.

This book was on special from Amazon... If you have the French version and its different let me know.

rand

ward · 24th September 2008, 03:20 AM

First time you wrote 237. These ones in the book have nothing in common with the one under discussion. Other than the fact their all head wrenches.

G. McCormack · 24th September 2008, 06:51 AM

I'm really fascinated by this object.

My guess is......magic wand.

Really. I'm thinking the four symbols are Christian, and are most similar to a triquetra, a vesica piscis or ichthus, a cross potent or coptic cross, and though more a stretch than the others, I'd blindly guess the square symbol on the head with the 4 sets of three lines may be a triparted cross, with each line inlaid representing one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
The script looks most similar to cursive hieratic or demotic. But the symbols are Christian.....so that means maybe this is an early Christian scepter for ritual purposes (magic wand) covered in ancient Christian symbols and even earlier potent spells in hieratic?

Any of that sorta make sense? or just sound crazy?

Also, any mention of magic wands in historical manuals says they are tapered, and about a cubit in length.

Lets hear someone figure out the full story!

24th September 2008, 12:04 AM	#3
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Bar Maces Booty from Adoni stored at Bikaner Armory had bar maces 64cm long with a very similar construction, pictured in "The Arts of the Muslim Knight" page 237. rand

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18th September 2008, 07:25 AM	#1
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	hi Dom! thanks for the post, can you translate those scripts??? or symbols? best Husar

18th September 2008, 04:00 PM	#2
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	sorry, impossible to translate capacities of my translator are "just" Arabic ... nobody 's perfect but anyway, her ... She is perfect ... as principle à + Dom

24th September 2008, 12:19 AM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Not in my copy French or English.

24th September 2008, 03:20 AM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	First time you wrote 237. These ones in the book have nothing in common with the one under discussion. Other than the fact their all head wrenches.

24th September 2008, 06:51 AM	#7
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	I'm really fascinated by this object. My guess is......magic wand. Really. I'm thinking the four symbols are Christian, and are most similar to a triquetra, a vesica piscis or ichthus, a cross potent or coptic cross, and though more a stretch than the others, I'd blindly guess the square symbol on the head with the 4 sets of three lines may be a triparted cross, with each line inlaid representing one of the 12 tribes of Israel. The script looks most similar to cursive hieratic or demotic. But the symbols are Christian.....so that means maybe this is an early Christian scepter for ritual purposes (magic wand) covered in ancient Christian symbols and even earlier potent spells in hieratic? Any of that sorta make sense? or just sound crazy? Also, any mention of magic wands in historical manuals says they are tapered, and about a cubit in length. Lets hear someone figure out the full story!