YOUNGER Keris

Rick · 27th August 2008, 07:42 PM

This brings me to a question concerning nem neman keris; are these new evolutions of form generally approved of in the Javanese keris world ?

Are there those who believe keris making should be a static art with strict prescribed shapes that are considered the zenith of keris form ?
The idea being to produce perfection within these parameters ?

David · 27th August 2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

This brings me to a question concerning nem neman keris; are these new evolutions of form generally approved of in the Javanese keris world ?
Are there those who believe keris making should be a static art with strict prescribed shapes that are considered the zenith of keris form ?
The idea being to produce perfection within these parameters ?

Thanks Rick for posing a question which has been on my mind as well. Personally i am of 2 minds here. I do believe that there need to be growth and change on some level to keep the art fresh. However, some of these new ideas, like the double-blade lurus/luk keris shown her don't appeal to me at all. Sometimes it just seems like the boundaries are pushed just for the pushing's sake. Now i do really enjoy those leafy looking blades, a very nice and beautiful innovation there. But still i think that these evolutions must in some way fit into a cultural context and that is hard for me to judge from where i stand.

Marcokeris · 27th August 2008, 10:07 PM

Another question:
Are "nem neman keris" keris made after II° world war or also before ?
Another question:
Are keris made after II° world war keris made under western standard or something remains about the old estern classic way to make a keris?

Rick · 27th August 2008, 10:30 PM

Western standard ?
Could you explain what you mean Marco ?

Marcokeris · 27th August 2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Western standard ?
Could you explain what you mean Marco ?

If during II war (Japan invasion, no food,a lot of troubles) the art of making keris was lost (

sorry for my english), and if in 70es Mr Drescher (helped by Harjonegoro) teached to Yogya people (Supowinangun's sons) how to do again keris....i could think that modern keris are made now with different tecnique (western standard)

Rick · 27th August 2008, 11:45 PM

Interesting observation Marco.

I think of Dietrich as a force that restarted a tradition that had stalled for a moment in time .

I don't see much that is Western about that except his name .

Keris are still made traditionally by age old methods developed by the indiginous peoples of Indonesia . Yes, some of the tools have changed; still that doesn't make western influence; just modern .

27th August 2008, 07:42 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	This brings me to a question concerning nem neman keris; are these new evolutions of form generally approved of in the Javanese keris world ? Are there those who believe keris making should be a static art with strict prescribed shapes that are considered the zenith of keris form ? The idea being to produce perfection within these parameters ? Last edited by Rick; 27th August 2008 at 07:49 PM. Reason: I think I got it all this time ........

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27th August 2008, 10:07 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Another question: Are "nem neman keris" keris made after II° world war or also before ? Another question: Are keris made after II° world war keris made under western standard or something remains about the old estern classic way to make a keris?

27th August 2008, 10:30 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Western standard ? Could you explain what you mean Marco ?

27th August 2008, 11:45 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Interesting observation Marco. I think of Dietrich as a force that restarted a tradition that had stalled for a moment in time . I don't see much that is Western about that except his name . Keris are still made traditionally by age old methods developed by the indiginous peoples of Indonesia . Yes, some of the tools have changed; still that doesn't make western influence; just modern .