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I would appreciate if our Malay-Bugis or Indonesian keris collectors could explain or clarify differences between bugis pamor 'Pucuk Rebung' and Javanese 'Junjung Derajat' ! Are they the same or entirely different? Thanks in advance.
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I've been wondering about this too. Also, the difference between these two and raja kam-kam. And what about satriya pinayungan? They all look almost the same.
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Thanks for your posting, Penangsang11..I appreciate that.
Probably, the term Pucuk Rebung is quite alien to some but highly talked after in the Malaysian eastcoast states of Kelantan dan Trengganu. According to some, Pucuk Rebung (bamboo-shoot) is a kind of rekan pamor on bugis keris and is totally rare. This pamor is almost similar to the Javanese/Madurese Junjung Derajat or may I say Pamor Gunung(pls correct me if I am wrong). I always encounter with this pamor only on Javanese keris but not Bugis or any Malay kerises. I would appreciate, if our collectors (if you happen to have one) could post photos of Bugis keris that incorporate this kind of highly demanded pamor. |
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Yes, literally "rebung" means "bamboo-shoot" in Javanese too. Bamboo-sprout. Usually people in Java said "mucuk rebung" as a shape or form of something that seems like bamboo-shoot. The tip of something -- including kerises -- could be "mucuk rebung". In Javanese, we have some pamor like this: ujung gunung or (if through the ganja either) raja kam kam in Madura. We have still, raja abala raja -- similar to ujung gunung, but like more than one top of mountain (I can't describe precisely in English, I'm sorry...), and pandita-bala-pandita (more specific, but quite similar to raja abala raja). Satria pinayungan, never exist in the sor-soran, but only in upper middle, or near the tip of the keris. |
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Thanks Ganjawulung for posting this great keris, I think thats it!.... but on the second thought... it could be different...pls refer to this diagram whick I found today in a Malay keris book. TQ
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Something that looks pretty the same to me, but that is called Raja abala Raja in a previous thread
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Thanks Asomotif, I think somehow it has similarities but having more fine details compared to the diagram. Its really beautiful.
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Mykeris, from my limited understanding, the illustration you provided that was referred to as pamor "Pucuk Rebung" is Jawanese equivalent to Raja Abala Raja.
Pak Ganjawulung, the "Ujung Gunung" and "Raja Kam-kam" that you described, were they pamor titipan / rekan or tiban? I thought ujung gunung was pamor tiban as that of satriya pinayungan (judging from physical inspection). Could you or any other keris knowledgebles elaborate further. I'm still confused. |
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IMHO this kind of pamor in Bugis we called 'TIMPA LAJANA' a symbol of 'DATU DATU' / high status.
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"Ujung Gunung" pamor (top of the mountain), IMHO is one type of "rekan" (engineered) pamor, but "satria pinayungan" (a draped over knight?), yes, it is the type of "tiban" (unexpected, surprised) kind of pamor. I try to show you below, two blades -- one straight and the other curved -- with "adeg" pamor but with "junjung drajat" on the tip of the blade. (With close ups), and one blade with "satria pinayungan" in the middle of the blade. People may even call a pamor that crossed the blade as a "kendhit" pamor too. But, kendit with "broken" line -- forming kind of mountain top -- we call it as "satria pinayungan"... I hope you understand what I mean (sorry for my limited ability in explaining you in English...) GANJAWULUNG |
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Maybe this drawings (get from web) might help. Again, this is the javanese pamor terms.
The closest of "Pamor pucuk rebung" would be Ujung Gunung (javanese). Some pamor have different names but actually refer to the same thing (design/motives). Example : Buntel mayit (javanese), tambangan badung (lombok/bali) and lilit ubi (malay). Batu lapak (javanese) and Tapak gajah (malay). Untu walang (javanese) and gigi yu (malay), etc... |
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Thanks to all dear forumites posting to this forum. Its really a clear explaination by you all.
Thanks again, Mykeris. |
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